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Wait, they had something simple to understand (Duo for consumers, Meet for professionals), and now everyone has access to two different products doing about the

Wait, they had something simple to understand (Duo for consumers, Meet for professionals), and now everyone has access to two different products doing about the same thing?! Google and messaging products... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chat

enitihas 6y ago
And that page still doesn't list GTalk, the precursor for hangouts.
- Zarel 6y ago
  It does, it's the second top-level bullet point: > Google Talk, a defunct instant messaging service released by Google in 2005 The page was last edited over a week ago, so it's not like I'm seeing a newer version than what you're seeing, either. Or did you think "GTalk" was an official brand? Google has never abbreviated it that way, only users.
londons_explore 6y ago
Except they didn't interoperate, Duo didn't work on laptops, Meet had terrible sound quality unless you had a $1000+ laptop because it used software video decoding...
- microcolonel 6y ago
  > Meet had terrible sound quality unless you had a $1000+ laptop because it used software video decoding How did video decoding in software affect sound quality? Is this just a typo/brainfart?
  - cameron_b 6y ago
    The video encoding/decoding could have leveraged hardware accelerated codecs and freed up resources for audio encoding/decoding
    - microcolonel 6y ago
      Audio encoding is not of particularly high complexity. Even the highest complexity modes of the best codec right now (Opus) are like 60-100x real time on commodity hardware, and not too far off on phones.
  - IanCal 6y ago
    I don't know if it's what they mean but having your fans go absolutely nuts in every meeting can't be great for sound quality.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    Having spent 5 mins debugging it... it looks like the audio and video buffers are occasionally not exactly the same lengths, and it causes a glitch in the audio whenever the audio buffer is slightly longer. It doesn't seem to happen when not CPU capped though, which I haven't quite figured out...
- officemonkey 6y ago
  Duo works fine on my $200 Chromebook.
- marticode 6y ago
  Duo works on any browser at https://duo.google.com https://duo.google.com
- ghaff 6y ago
  >Meet had terrible sound quality unless you had a $1000+ laptop Certainly not my experience. I use a few different video platforms including Meet and have never noticed material differences in sound quality. I mostly use an iMac but it's about a 5 year old system so it's hardly high-end by today's standards.
- taborj 6y ago
  I have a wife and a child who use Meet regularly, both via sub-$400 laptops. No issues that they've reported.
lima 6y ago
Duo is for 1:1 video calls and has stickers and cute animations. Meet is a video conferencing tool. What's the confusion?
- abraham 6y ago
  Duo now supports 12 people on one call.
  - interestica 6y ago
    Hm, duodecuple is the tuple for 12. Maybe this was their plan all along.
    - the_greyd 6y ago
      That makes sense since we all have exactly 12 friends, that's the official friend cap for the year 2020.
      - taborj 6y ago
        Anything more and it gets super tedious to maintain 6 feet of separation and still be able to hear each other.
  - Mindwipe 6y ago
    Not on the web.

enitihas 6y ago

And that page still doesn't list GTalk, the precursor for hangouts.

Zarel 6y ago
It does, it's the second top-level bullet point: > Google Talk, a defunct instant messaging service released by Google in 2005 The page was last edited over a week ago, so it's not like I'm seeing a newer version than what you're seeing, either. Or did you think "GTalk" was an official brand? Google has never abbreviated it that way, only users.

londons_explore 6y ago

Except they didn't interoperate, Duo didn't work on laptops, Meet had terrible sound quality unless you had a $1000+ laptop because it used software video decoding...

microcolonel 6y ago
> Meet had terrible sound quality unless you had a $1000+ laptop because it used software video decoding How did video decoding in software affect sound quality? Is this just a typo/brainfart?
- cameron_b 6y ago
  The video encoding/decoding could have leveraged hardware accelerated codecs and freed up resources for audio encoding/decoding
  - microcolonel 6y ago
    Audio encoding is not of particularly high complexity. Even the highest complexity modes of the best codec right now (Opus) are like 60-100x real time on commodity hardware, and not too far off on phones.
- IanCal 6y ago
  I don't know if it's what they mean but having your fans go absolutely nuts in every meeting can't be great for sound quality.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  Having spent 5 mins debugging it... it looks like the audio and video buffers are occasionally not exactly the same lengths, and it causes a glitch in the audio whenever the audio buffer is slightly longer. It doesn't seem to happen when not CPU capped though, which I haven't quite figured out...
officemonkey 6y ago
Duo works fine on my $200 Chromebook.
marticode 6y ago
Duo works on any browser at https://duo.google.com https://duo.google.com
ghaff 6y ago
>Meet had terrible sound quality unless you had a $1000+ laptop Certainly not my experience. I use a few different video platforms including Meet and have never noticed material differences in sound quality. I mostly use an iMac but it's about a 5 year old system so it's hardly high-end by today's standards.
taborj 6y ago
I have a wife and a child who use Meet regularly, both via sub-$400 laptops. No issues that they've reported.

lima 6y ago

Duo is for 1:1 video calls and has stickers and cute animations. Meet is a video conferencing tool. What's the confusion?

abraham 6y ago
Duo now supports 12 people on one call.
- interestica 6y ago
  Hm, duodecuple is the tuple for 12. Maybe this was their plan all along.
  - the_greyd 6y ago
    That makes sense since we all have exactly 12 friends, that's the official friend cap for the year 2020.
    - taborj 6y ago
      Anything more and it gets super tedious to maintain 6 feet of separation and still be able to hear each other.
- Mindwipe 6y ago
  Not on the web.