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Sprint and T-Mobile in merger talks

22 points by pitdesi 16y ago

grandalf 16y ago
I hope Google steps in and buys T-Mobile. Sprint is the worst US carrier, T-Mobile is the best... both in terms of technology and customer service.
- smhinsey 16y ago
  Yeah, I've used T-Mobile since they were VoiceStream. Before that I used Sprint and I switched because they were such a hassle. Hard to imagine a worse outcome for T-Mobile.
  - aaronbrethorst 16y ago
    I used Arial before they were acquired by VoiceStream. In my opinion, it's been downhill ever since.
- kenjackson 16y ago
  T-Mo probably has the worst coverage though.
  - calloc 16y ago
    Compared to AT&T the coverage is absolutely fantastic. I've had more bars in more places than AT&T, and I have never had issues getting a 3G data connection.
    - protomyth 16y ago
      I travel around ND,SD, and MN - T-Mobile is the worst here. It has no coverage once you leave a city and sometimes not even in them. AT&T and Verizon were amazing compared to T-Mobile. Sprint does ok in parts, but has some big dead spots.
    - martey 16y ago
      Experiences with wireless carriers in the United States seem heavily dependent on location and personal travel routes, which is why anecdotal evidence about coverage is generally not very useful. Comparing their coverage maps, it looks clear that AT&T technically has more network coverage: AT&T: http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/#?type=voice http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/#?type=voice T-Mobile: http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx If I lived in an urban area (where T-Mobile is likely to have already deployed both standard 3G and HSDPA+ coverage, and AT&T's network has a higher than average proportion of heavy iPhone users), my experiences with either carrier are likely to be different than if I lived and stayed in the suburbs or rural areas (where T-Mobile is more likely to either have EDGE coverage or nothing at all).
    - quacker 16y ago
      So what? I'm on AT&T and have a 3G connection everywhere but inside concrete bunkers in my city. But that says nothing about coverage. You can say coverage is about HAVING "bars"; better coverage refers to having more area with bars. Coverage of an entire carrier can't be determined by a single case. Additionally, measuring "bars" is useless to the measurement of coverage (1) because the bars on one phone could mean something totally different than the bars on another phone (see iPhone reception miscalculation) and (2) because how many bars you have, or signal strength or reception, is determined in part by how close you are to the signal source. So what if you have perfect reception if you live right next to a cell tower?
  - bobx11 16y ago
    I completely agree
- mdasen 16y ago
  The question is: would Google be a good consumer infrastructure company? Their first foray into that arena was their Google Fiber experiment which has been delayed. I know that Google always seems like they're on our side over infrastructure things - but that might simply be because they aren't building that infrastructure. It's possible that Google would bring excellence to consumer infrastructure as well. However, they haven't run an ISP, cable company, wireless company, home broadband, or other regulated consumer infrastructure project. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be up to the challenge, it's more a question of why you believe they'd do better? They talk a nice game of unlimited, high-speed broadband, but that's easy when you're not the one paying to provide it. Google also had the option to purchase the open-access 700MHz spectrum and once the reserve price was met, decided that they didn't want to be in the consumer-facing communications infrastructure game. If they didn't want to become a wireless company a couple years ago, what would have changed to make them want to become one now? Google has a strong staff and it would, at the very least, be interesting to see how they would fare as a company. Would they decide to forgo the profits one receives for pushing things like Blockbuster Mobile onto their smartphones? Would they push faster technology faster? Would they decide that limits were wrong to put on users? Would they decide to forgo subsidised phones and offer much lower priced plans?
  - jonknee 16y ago
    > Google also had the option to purchase the open-access 700MHz spectrum and once the reserve price was met, decided that they didn't want to be in the consumer-facing communications infrastructure game. If they didn't want to become a wireless company a couple years ago, what would have changed to make them want to become one now? I think Google just entered the auction to ensure open-access. It was quite a clever move. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMbsPSv2vatAVvbz_8n0xU3Mfvnw http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMbsPSv2vatAVvbz_8n0xU3M...
  - grandalf 16y ago
    I realize Google is averse to endeavors that might necessitate a customer service department... but in my opinion if Google bought it and invested a few billion into infrastructure improvements and discounting, it could potentially offer some incredible products with bundled 4G, etc. Google is one of the few companies that could really benefit from doing analytics on all the call and internet traffic data, and I don't predict a future world in which people happily pay $30/month for each connected device they own. Google has the chance to define how the game is played and leap ahead of the competition (mostly Apple) by creating a product and service mix that Apple's carrier parters will refuse to match.
- SkyMarshal 16y ago
  Any chance there's any substance to that hope re: Google? Regardless, as a happy T-Mobile customer, me too.
- radicaldreamer 16y ago
  In and around Houston, Sprint is considered pretty good and T-Mobile is pretty much universally panned as being awful. Also, T-Mobile's frequency bands don't penetrate buildings very well. It pretty much depends on where you are in the US. The only carrier whose service is close to universally lauded everywhere is Verizon.
lyamys 16y ago
Sprint and T-Mobile are on incompatible networks (CDMA vs GSM) and the Nextel acquisition was, as the article puts it, "disastrous."
- runjake 16y ago
  That doesn't play too big a part when both companies are still evaluating* their post-GSM/CDMA strategies. Both are also known for being behind the curve on this, as well. * HSPA isn't post-GSM, and rumors around Sprint dumping the existing "4G" WiMAX, in favor of LTE, have been around the industry for years.
- graywh 16y ago
  A bigger consideration is the spectrum licenses.
golgo13 16y ago
I read some 2011 prediction article at the beginning of the year. I remember the article stated that Borders would go into bankruptcy and T-Mobile and Sprint would merge. I left Sprint for T-Mobile years ago and would hate to see my rates go back up for the same service I have now.
thirtysixred 16y ago
T-Mobile is the only good US carrier. Don't know what I'd do if they merged with a company as poor as Sprint.
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charlesju 16y ago
This might be a little bit off-topic, but why don't people use Virgin Mobile more? They seem to have the best (cheapest) hassle-free plan with pretty good phones.
- protomyth 16y ago
  coverage area is one reason for me
- mrgordon 16y ago
  The new Optimus V looks like pretty much the best deal in the country for a smartphone right now, but I did see people complaining about losing their data connection when the phone idled. I'm on T-Mobile prepaid for ~$25 a month because I already had a gsm phone (iPhone) but otherwise I'd probably switch. Goodbye $70+ AT&T bills.
- smackfu 16y ago
  Plans are pretty good (although you do pay for every minute), phones leave a lot to be desired since they are basically unsubsidized and they are aimed at teenage texters.
shareme 16y ago
The key take away: Sprint has devised a strategy into 4g that is network agnostic compared to others..that means they can bring in any carrier, CDMA, GSM..it doesn't matter as they have the transition to LTE 4g worked out so all MOs plug in.. Basically T-Mobile blew it on getting a 4G strategy .. Long term Sprint and T-Mobile will merge.. What does Sprint get? Cash to prop up ClearWire.. Sprint has just as much to loose..ClearWire bankruptcy as T-Mobile if merger fails..

22 points by pitdesi 16y ago

I hope Google steps in and buys T-Mobile. Sprint is the worst US carrier, T-Mobile is the best... both in terms of technology and customer service.

smhinsey 16y ago
Yeah, I've used T-Mobile since they were VoiceStream. Before that I used Sprint and I switched because they were such a hassle. Hard to imagine a worse outcome for T-Mobile.
- aaronbrethorst 16y ago
  I used Arial before they were acquired by VoiceStream. In my opinion, it's been downhill ever since.
kenjackson 16y ago
T-Mo probably has the worst coverage though.
- calloc 16y ago
  Compared to AT&T the coverage is absolutely fantastic. I've had more bars in more places than AT&T, and I have never had issues getting a 3G data connection.
  - protomyth 16y ago
    I travel around ND,SD, and MN - T-Mobile is the worst here. It has no coverage once you leave a city and sometimes not even in them. AT&T and Verizon were amazing compared to T-Mobile. Sprint does ok in parts, but has some big dead spots.
  - martey 16y ago
    Experiences with wireless carriers in the United States seem heavily dependent on location and personal travel routes, which is why anecdotal evidence about coverage is generally not very useful. Comparing their coverage maps, it looks clear that AT&T technically has more network coverage: AT&T: http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/#?type=voice http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/#?type=voice T-Mobile: http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/pcc.aspx If I lived in an urban area (where T-Mobile is likely to have already deployed both standard 3G and HSDPA+ coverage, and AT&T's network has a higher than average proportion of heavy iPhone users), my experiences with either carrier are likely to be different than if I lived and stayed in the suburbs or rural areas (where T-Mobile is more likely to either have EDGE coverage or nothing at all).
  - quacker 16y ago
    So what? I'm on AT&T and have a 3G connection everywhere but inside concrete bunkers in my city. But that says nothing about coverage. You can say coverage is about HAVING "bars"; better coverage refers to having more area with bars. Coverage of an entire carrier can't be determined by a single case. Additionally, measuring "bars" is useless to the measurement of coverage (1) because the bars on one phone could mean something totally different than the bars on another phone (see iPhone reception miscalculation) and (2) because how many bars you have, or signal strength or reception, is determined in part by how close you are to the signal source. So what if you have perfect reception if you live right next to a cell tower?
- bobx11 16y ago
  I completely agree
mdasen 16y ago
The question is: would Google be a good consumer infrastructure company? Their first foray into that arena was their Google Fiber experiment which has been delayed. I know that Google always seems like they're on our side over infrastructure things - but that might simply be because they aren't building that infrastructure. It's possible that Google would bring excellence to consumer infrastructure as well. However, they haven't run an ISP, cable company, wireless company, home broadband, or other regulated consumer infrastructure project. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be up to the challenge, it's more a question of why you believe they'd do better? They talk a nice game of unlimited, high-speed broadband, but that's easy when you're not the one paying to provide it. Google also had the option to purchase the open-access 700MHz spectrum and once the reserve price was met, decided that they didn't want to be in the consumer-facing communications infrastructure game. If they didn't want to become a wireless company a couple years ago, what would have changed to make them want to become one now? Google has a strong staff and it would, at the very least, be interesting to see how they would fare as a company. Would they decide to forgo the profits one receives for pushing things like Blockbuster Mobile onto their smartphones? Would they push faster technology faster? Would they decide that limits were wrong to put on users? Would they decide to forgo subsidised phones and offer much lower priced plans?
- jonknee 16y ago
  > Google also had the option to purchase the open-access 700MHz spectrum and once the reserve price was met, decided that they didn't want to be in the consumer-facing communications infrastructure game. If they didn't want to become a wireless company a couple years ago, what would have changed to make them want to become one now? I think Google just entered the auction to ensure open-access. It was quite a clever move. http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMbsPSv2vatAVvbz_8n0xU3Mfvnw http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMbsPSv2vatAVvbz_8n0xU3M...
- grandalf 16y ago
  I realize Google is averse to endeavors that might necessitate a customer service department... but in my opinion if Google bought it and invested a few billion into infrastructure improvements and discounting, it could potentially offer some incredible products with bundled 4G, etc. Google is one of the few companies that could really benefit from doing analytics on all the call and internet traffic data, and I don't predict a future world in which people happily pay $30/month for each connected device they own. Google has the chance to define how the game is played and leap ahead of the competition (mostly Apple) by creating a product and service mix that Apple's carrier parters will refuse to match.
SkyMarshal 16y ago
Any chance there's any substance to that hope re: Google? Regardless, as a happy T-Mobile customer, me too.
radicaldreamer 16y ago
In and around Houston, Sprint is considered pretty good and T-Mobile is pretty much universally panned as being awful. Also, T-Mobile's frequency bands don't penetrate buildings very well. It pretty much depends on where you are in the US. The only carrier whose service is close to universally lauded everywhere is Verizon.

lyamys 16y ago

Sprint and T-Mobile are on incompatible networks (CDMA vs GSM) and the Nextel acquisition was, as the article puts it, "disastrous."

runjake 16y ago
That doesn't play too big a part when both companies are still evaluating* their post-GSM/CDMA strategies. Both are also known for being behind the curve on this, as well. * HSPA isn't post-GSM, and rumors around Sprint dumping the existing "4G" WiMAX, in favor of LTE, have been around the industry for years.
graywh 16y ago
A bigger consideration is the spectrum licenses.

golgo13 16y ago

I read some 2011 prediction article at the beginning of the year. I remember the article stated that Borders would go into bankruptcy and T-Mobile and Sprint would merge. I left Sprint for T-Mobile years ago and would hate to see my rates go back up for the same service I have now.

thirtysixred 16y ago

T-Mobile is the only good US carrier. Don't know what I'd do if they merged with a company as poor as Sprint.

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charlesju 16y ago

This might be a little bit off-topic, but why don't people use Virgin Mobile more? They seem to have the best (cheapest) hassle-free plan with pretty good phones.

protomyth 16y ago
coverage area is one reason for me
mrgordon 16y ago
The new Optimus V looks like pretty much the best deal in the country for a smartphone right now, but I did see people complaining about losing their data connection when the phone idled. I'm on T-Mobile prepaid for ~$25 a month because I already had a gsm phone (iPhone) but otherwise I'd probably switch. Goodbye $70+ AT&T bills.
smackfu 16y ago
Plans are pretty good (although you do pay for every minute), phones leave a lot to be desired since they are basically unsubsidized and they are aimed at teenage texters.

shareme 16y ago

The key take away: Sprint has devised a strategy into 4g that is network agnostic compared to others..that means they can bring in any carrier, CDMA, GSM..it doesn't matter as they have the transition to LTE 4g worked out so all MOs plug in.. Basically T-Mobile blew it on getting a 4G strategy .. Long term Sprint and T-Mobile will merge.. What does Sprint get? Cash to prop up ClearWire.. Sprint has just as much to loose..ClearWire bankruptcy as T-Mobile if merger fails..