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So we are handing over even more of our spaces to Law enforcement because won't somebody think of the children. Has TraffickCam ever made a match on Sex Traffi

So we are handing over even more of our spaces to Law enforcement because won't somebody think of the children. Has TraffickCam ever made a match on Sex Trafficking? Whats to stop it's use for other crimes, like an Asian countries government using it to track meetings of the opposition? Or the location of a refugee. And who is running this? Where does the $ go.

saagarjha 7y ago
I mean, it’s a hotel, not your house. Is it really your space that you’re handing over?
- kyuudou 7y ago
  For some people like me who basically live in extended-stay hotels, yes, it is my space. In the US, as much as it's trampled on, people will still fight for their 4th amendment rights. https://www.foster.com/duff-on-hospitality-law/guest-room-privacy-and-the-fourth-amendment https://www.foster.com/duff-on-hospitality-law/guest-room-pr...
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Yeah, don’t take a picture while you’re actually using the room obviously. But when you’re checking out I don’t see the issue?
    - kyuudou 7y ago
      Oh sure, of course! - just as with a rental situation where the landlord does a last inspection to make sure everything is in reasonably good condition.
imgabe 7y ago
Maybe don't take pictures of your secret government opposition meeting and post them on the Internet? Traffickers would need to post photos to advertise their trafficking. Those photos could then be matched and traced. Secret government opposition meetings have no need to post photos. Indeed, if you are taking photos at all at your secret government opposition meeting, you are doing it wrong. To quote Stringer Bell "...are you taking notes on a motherfucking criminal conspiracy???"
- njharman 7y ago
  At least in the USA every data set available to police, every law of any strength has been extended, stretched or fragrantly misapplied/used (sometimes ruled illegally after the fact when defendant is able to determine what they did and has the means and wherewithal to appeal) well beyond its "sold" purpose. PATRIOT Act, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, parallel construction to allow NSA data collections to be used domestically, many others. They have it. The incentive to use it "catch" people they know are criminals is great. So they use it. Why not, we're only using it to put away the "bad" people.
  - creato 7y ago
    How can this dataset be abused? A photo of a hotel room, at nonspecific times and without people in it, seems as close to harmless as can be. And there is apparently a law enforcement use case for it that makes sense and does not violate anyone's rights. I am so tired of reading this same slippery slope comment posted hundreds of times per day to HN. It seems like HN will settle for nothing less than law enforcement operating with the same tools and technology they had in 1776. This is very far outside what most people want, and in my opinion, by agitating against things like this for no clear reason helps to keep debate about other more real and significant privacy concerns we are dealing with today on the fringes.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      As someone who thinks he has a fairly extreme view on user privacy, I can’t see what’s wrong with this. It’s a consensual sharing of pictures of something that’s already lived in by many people. I can’t even see where the slope here is.
    - pvaldes 7y ago
      > How can this dataset be abused? Install now "scapegoatfinder" app. and kindly help a prosecutor with his political career to find travelling latinos and blacks available in the area Some people were being jailed because a non-whit... err, a similar people appeared in a blurry video doing a crime. Now you can help police to track you and do part of the job for free. Not to mention that police has yet a written report with the list of people that went to a place of interest in the week of interest (obligatory by law for all hotel owners if I'm not wrong). All that they need is to take a look to the facebook of this people to find plenty of photos and then discretely match it with their own photos. Maybe book a weekend to be extra sure. Facebook could perfectly make some additional profit selling this info (if is not doing it yet).
jahn716 7y ago
>Has TraffickCam ever made a match on Sex Trafficking? Great question. As it appears now, it seems like a case of building a product without any validation of results.

saagarjha 7y ago

I mean, it’s a hotel, not your house. Is it really your space that you’re handing over?

kyuudou 7y ago
For some people like me who basically live in extended-stay hotels, yes, it is my space. In the US, as much as it's trampled on, people will still fight for their 4th amendment rights. https://www.foster.com/duff-on-hospitality-law/guest-room-privacy-and-the-fourth-amendment https://www.foster.com/duff-on-hospitality-law/guest-room-pr...
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Yeah, don’t take a picture while you’re actually using the room obviously. But when you’re checking out I don’t see the issue?
  - kyuudou 7y ago
    Oh sure, of course! - just as with a rental situation where the landlord does a last inspection to make sure everything is in reasonably good condition.

imgabe 7y ago

Maybe don't take pictures of your secret government opposition meeting and post them on the Internet? Traffickers would need to post photos to advertise their trafficking. Those photos could then be matched and traced. Secret government opposition meetings have no need to post photos. Indeed, if you are taking photos at all at your secret government opposition meeting, you are doing it wrong. To quote Stringer Bell "...are you taking notes on a motherfucking criminal conspiracy???"

njharman 7y ago
At least in the USA every data set available to police, every law of any strength has been extended, stretched or fragrantly misapplied/used (sometimes ruled illegally after the fact when defendant is able to determine what they did and has the means and wherewithal to appeal) well beyond its "sold" purpose. PATRIOT Act, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, parallel construction to allow NSA data collections to be used domestically, many others. They have it. The incentive to use it "catch" people they know are criminals is great. So they use it. Why not, we're only using it to put away the "bad" people.
- creato 7y ago
  How can this dataset be abused? A photo of a hotel room, at nonspecific times and without people in it, seems as close to harmless as can be. And there is apparently a law enforcement use case for it that makes sense and does not violate anyone's rights. I am so tired of reading this same slippery slope comment posted hundreds of times per day to HN. It seems like HN will settle for nothing less than law enforcement operating with the same tools and technology they had in 1776. This is very far outside what most people want, and in my opinion, by agitating against things like this for no clear reason helps to keep debate about other more real and significant privacy concerns we are dealing with today on the fringes.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    As someone who thinks he has a fairly extreme view on user privacy, I can’t see what’s wrong with this. It’s a consensual sharing of pictures of something that’s already lived in by many people. I can’t even see where the slope here is.
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    > How can this dataset be abused? Install now "scapegoatfinder" app. and kindly help a prosecutor with his political career to find travelling latinos and blacks available in the area Some people were being jailed because a non-whit... err, a similar people appeared in a blurry video doing a crime. Now you can help police to track you and do part of the job for free. Not to mention that police has yet a written report with the list of people that went to a place of interest in the week of interest (obligatory by law for all hotel owners if I'm not wrong). All that they need is to take a look to the facebook of this people to find plenty of photos and then discretely match it with their own photos. Maybe book a weekend to be extra sure. Facebook could perfectly make some additional profit selling this info (if is not doing it yet).

jahn716 7y ago

>Has TraffickCam ever made a match on Sex Trafficking? Great question. As it appears now, it seems like a case of building a product without any validation of results.