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It doesn't matter. Why is YouTube policing speech? If anything, this will give "incorrect ideas" more attention than letting them be heard.

jdkee 7y ago
That does not logically follow if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions.
- pmarreck 7y ago
  > if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions But you're now asking people to trust experts, which in 2020 is apparently crazy-talk
  - cvwright 7y ago
    It doesn’t help that the experts started 2020 by downplaying the threat and telling people not to wear masks.
  - wesammikhail 7y ago
    ofc you shouldn´t trust experts wtf!!! Blindly trusting someone because they have a piece of paper on their wall? are you nuts? What is it with people and willingly accept argument from authority just because there is a PhD or MD next to the name? Make your arguments, present your data, and let us peel through it and see if all works out as it should or if it is all just a bunch of bullshit. I don´t give a fuck if you are an expert or not. I care about ideas and results. Experts can go fuck themselves for all I care. I care about truth not some stupidly mind numbing notion of imbued institutional authority!
    - pmarreck 7y ago
      > What is it with people and willingly accept argument from authority just because there is a PhD or MD next to the name? Because this is how it worked for literally hundreds of years and it seemed to work just fine, and only NOW does it seem we have a problem
      - wesammikhail 7y ago
        That´s pure kaka. That´s how it has worked for the past 50 years at most and this revisionist history in favor of some high and mighty self-serving position is a no-go for me.
        pmarreck 6y ago
        Kaka? Dude, we're doing the exact same thing we did 100 years ago and people are being just as stupid: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191141 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191141 Or let's go back even further to the bubonic plague: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/04/bubonic-plague-first-struck-america-officials-tried-cover-up/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/04/bubonic-p... In all these cases, the medical experts were right and trustworthy, and the politicians and public were WRONG AND MISLEADING, and that resulted in more deaths.
  - thu2111 7y ago
    "Experts" in 2020 are merely washed up mathematicians and Ethiopian politicians who have no incentive to be correct, only to speak, and who have spent a lot of time publicly arguing with each other and producing completely contradictory advice and predictions. Of those predictions they all had severe and deep flaws, like the Imperial paper that assumed hospital capacity was entirely static and couldn't increase at all. That's an assumption any working nurse could have corrected immediately but the team responsible didn't bother asking them. There are no experts in this disease, only people trying to control other people through false proclamations of authority.
  - username90 7y ago
    The problem is that the people who made this video are by definition experts. Experts are often wrong and disagree, so if the public listens to the wrong experts and silence the right experts we have a problem. Therefore it is better to not try to decide which experts are right or wrong so we can silence them, since chances are that the people doing the evaluation are the ones in the wrong.
    - ceejayoz 7y ago
      > The problem is that the people who made this video are by definition experts. They are experts in an entirely different field. You don't need any training in statistics, epidemiology, public health, etc. to be an urgent care doc. They're experts in diagnosing and fixing ailments (at an individual level) that don't require a full-blown ER visit or hospitalization.

jdkee 7y ago

That does not logically follow if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions.

pmarreck 7y ago
> if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions But you're now asking people to trust experts, which in 2020 is apparently crazy-talk
- cvwright 7y ago
  It doesn’t help that the experts started 2020 by downplaying the threat and telling people not to wear masks.
- wesammikhail 7y ago
  ofc you shouldn´t trust experts wtf!!! Blindly trusting someone because they have a piece of paper on their wall? are you nuts? What is it with people and willingly accept argument from authority just because there is a PhD or MD next to the name? Make your arguments, present your data, and let us peel through it and see if all works out as it should or if it is all just a bunch of bullshit. I don´t give a fuck if you are an expert or not. I care about ideas and results. Experts can go fuck themselves for all I care. I care about truth not some stupidly mind numbing notion of imbued institutional authority!
  - pmarreck 7y ago
    > What is it with people and willingly accept argument from authority just because there is a PhD or MD next to the name? Because this is how it worked for literally hundreds of years and it seemed to work just fine, and only NOW does it seem we have a problem
    - wesammikhail 7y ago
      That´s pure kaka. That´s how it has worked for the past 50 years at most and this revisionist history in favor of some high and mighty self-serving position is a no-go for me.
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        Kaka? Dude, we're doing the exact same thing we did 100 years ago and people are being just as stupid: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191141 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191141 Or let's go back even further to the bubonic plague: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/04/bubonic-plague-first-struck-america-officials-tried-cover-up/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/04/bubonic-p... In all these cases, the medical experts were right and trustworthy, and the politicians and public were WRONG AND MISLEADING, and that resulted in more deaths.
- thu2111 7y ago
  "Experts" in 2020 are merely washed up mathematicians and Ethiopian politicians who have no incentive to be correct, only to speak, and who have spent a lot of time publicly arguing with each other and producing completely contradictory advice and predictions. Of those predictions they all had severe and deep flaws, like the Imperial paper that assumed hospital capacity was entirely static and couldn't increase at all. That's an assumption any working nurse could have corrected immediately but the team responsible didn't bother asking them. There are no experts in this disease, only people trying to control other people through false proclamations of authority.
- username90 7y ago
  The problem is that the people who made this video are by definition experts. Experts are often wrong and disagree, so if the public listens to the wrong experts and silence the right experts we have a problem. Therefore it is better to not try to decide which experts are right or wrong so we can silence them, since chances are that the people doing the evaluation are the ones in the wrong.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    > The problem is that the people who made this video are by definition experts. They are experts in an entirely different field. You don't need any training in statistics, epidemiology, public health, etc. to be an urgent care doc. They're experts in diagnosing and fixing ailments (at an individual level) that don't require a full-blown ER visit or hospitalization.