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> We're actually seeing the patients. Dr. Fauci hasn't seen a patient for 20 years... it's like the general contractor vs the sub. He's not seeing patients, he'

> We're actually seeing the patients. Dr. Fauci hasn't seen a patient for 20 years... it's like the general contractor vs the sub. He's not seeing patients, he's in an ivory tower, and we have a world of respect for him, he's a world reknown immunologist, two different, he's an academic, and we've dealt with academics all of our lives... but academics and reality are two different things. > Coronavirus lasts on plastics for 3 days, and we're all sheltering in place. Where'd you get your water bottles from? Costco. Where'd you get that plastic shovel from? Home Depot. Those are fomites and carries of disease... and if I swab things in your home, I would likely find COVID-19. > When you go to Del Taco and you get a plastic bag or piece on your burrito from someone not wearing a mask who's just wiping their arm on your thing, do you think you're protected from COVID? > We wear masks in an acute setting to protect us. We're not wearing masks, why is that? 'Cuz we understand microbiology, we understand immunology, and we want strong immune systems. I don't want to hide in my home, develop a weak immune system, and come out and get diseased. > Is the flu less dangerous than COVID? Let's look at the death rates, no it's not. They're similar in prevalence and in death rate. So we're saying that our response now, now that we know the facts, it's time to get back to work, it's time to test people. But again, testing gives you a moment in time...

nikolay 7y ago
If these are "doctors", I don't want them to treat me! ER is a different kind of health care! ER doctors are not virologists or epidemiologists. So, to use their own example, you don't want a plumber to do your roof!
- balls187 7y ago
  Apparently, they own a private Urgent Care center.
  - nikolay 7y ago
    Yeah, and the clinic is in the remote Bakersfield, California, not yet affected by the epidemic [0] - many fail to notice that important fact! [0]: https://kernpublichealth.com/covid-19_dashboard/ https://kernpublichealth.com/covid-19_dashboard/
- wstuartcl 7y ago
  Also they seem to either intentionally or because of negligence take a sample of confirmed cases that has hard bias (general populations are excluded from eligibility -- you must have sometimes severe indications of infection to be eligible for the limited tests) to simply equate to a random sample of the state enough to conclude a state wide infection rate. Further they use those poor statistics to claim the mortality rate of covid-19 is similar or less than the flu.
- threatofrain 7y ago
  Dr Daniel Erickson and Dr Artin Massihi have since been condemned by the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) and the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP): https://www.aaem.org/resources/statements/joint-endorsed/physician-misinformation https://www.aaem.org/resources/statements/joint-endorsed/phy...
CamperBob2 7y ago
Let's look at the death rates, no it's not. They're similar in prevalence and in death rate. That statement alone is justification for removing their video as a public health hazard.
- foolinaround 7y ago
  There's lots and lots of bad stuff there... The question is should youtube be censoring it? if so, why this, and not others?
  - SkyMarshal 7y ago
    Videos like this not only spread false info, they do something more pernicious by distorting or distracting an already partially-numerate public from understanding growth rates and scale. Eg, the important thing about an outbreak is its second and third derivatives, rate of growth and rate of rate of growth. Here they claim SARS-NCOV-2 is "similar in prevalance and death rate" to flu, somehow missing the fact that the former reached that point in one month and keeps going unless extensive social distancing, lockdowns and mask wearing is put in place. I hate censorship, but I support censoring information sourced from the idiocracy (or malevolent foreign power as the case may be).
    - foolinaround 7y ago
      i am almost with you there, but i see youtube as a biased actor also, when experts themselves (not these 2 guys) have come up with different recommendations - and cant agree with themselves, youtube should allow a free exchange of ideas. they are free (and should) to add a notice that says that it is potentially false, etc.
      - SkyMarshal 7y ago
        Yes YouTube and Google appear to have deprioritized neutrality in recent years, which I think is a mistake for them. But I also think this particular instance is not the right hill for people who care about that to die on. It’s a form of falsely or mistakenly crying wolf and will cost them credibility.
cycomanic 7y ago
The statement about fauci is also blatantly false. He did go out of his way to treat an (multiple?) ebola patient in 2015 for example
AareyBaba 7y ago
Also "If people can go to Costco, then why can't they go to church".
- CamperBob2 7y ago
  Man may not live by bread alone, but bread will get you through times of no religion better than religion will get you through times of no bread.
  - deleted 7y ago
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shkkmo 7y ago
> Coronavirus lasts on plastics for 3 days, and we're all sheltering in place. Where'd you get your water bottles from? Costco. Where'd you get that plastic shovel from? Home Depot. Those are fomites and carries of disease... and if I swab things in your home, I would likely find COVID-19. > When you go to Del Taco and you get a plastic bag or piece on your burrito from someone not wearing a mask who's just wiping their arm on your thing, do you think you're protected from COVID? The point isn't that chance of infection goes to zero. Yes of course there are still transmission vectors, the point is to reduce the transmission rate. Even if there is a small chance of catching covid from your water bottles or dell taco, those chances are also reduced relative to no lockdown because the people who would be transmitting that virus to you are less also less likely to be sick. > We wear masks in an acute setting to protect us. We're not wearing masks, why is that? 'Cuz we understand microbiology, we understand immunology, and we want strong immune systems. I don't want to hide in my home, develop a weak immune system, and come out and get diseased. Then these guys are selfish, putting their own desire for health above the needs of their more vulnerable familty, friends, neighbors and fellow citizens. > Is the flu less dangerous than COVID? Let's look at the death rates, no it's not. They're similar in prevalence and in death rate. Covid outpaced the standard flu season's death total in less than half the time and did it in the face of the most draconian public health measures in a century (or ever depending on your location).

nikolay 7y ago

If these are "doctors", I don't want them to treat me! ER is a different kind of health care! ER doctors are not virologists or epidemiologists. So, to use their own example, you don't want a plumber to do your roof!

balls187 7y ago
Apparently, they own a private Urgent Care center.
- nikolay 7y ago
  Yeah, and the clinic is in the remote Bakersfield, California, not yet affected by the epidemic [0] - many fail to notice that important fact! [0]: https://kernpublichealth.com/covid-19_dashboard/ https://kernpublichealth.com/covid-19_dashboard/
wstuartcl 7y ago
Also they seem to either intentionally or because of negligence take a sample of confirmed cases that has hard bias (general populations are excluded from eligibility -- you must have sometimes severe indications of infection to be eligible for the limited tests) to simply equate to a random sample of the state enough to conclude a state wide infection rate. Further they use those poor statistics to claim the mortality rate of covid-19 is similar or less than the flu.
threatofrain 7y ago
Dr Daniel Erickson and Dr Artin Massihi have since been condemned by the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) and the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP): https://www.aaem.org/resources/statements/joint-endorsed/physician-misinformation https://www.aaem.org/resources/statements/joint-endorsed/phy...

CamperBob2 7y ago

Let's look at the death rates, no it's not. They're similar in prevalence and in death rate. That statement alone is justification for removing their video as a public health hazard.

foolinaround 7y ago
There's lots and lots of bad stuff there... The question is should youtube be censoring it? if so, why this, and not others?
- SkyMarshal 7y ago
  Videos like this not only spread false info, they do something more pernicious by distorting or distracting an already partially-numerate public from understanding growth rates and scale. Eg, the important thing about an outbreak is its second and third derivatives, rate of growth and rate of rate of growth. Here they claim SARS-NCOV-2 is "similar in prevalance and death rate" to flu, somehow missing the fact that the former reached that point in one month and keeps going unless extensive social distancing, lockdowns and mask wearing is put in place. I hate censorship, but I support censoring information sourced from the idiocracy (or malevolent foreign power as the case may be).
  - foolinaround 7y ago
    i am almost with you there, but i see youtube as a biased actor also, when experts themselves (not these 2 guys) have come up with different recommendations - and cant agree with themselves, youtube should allow a free exchange of ideas. they are free (and should) to add a notice that says that it is potentially false, etc.
    - SkyMarshal 7y ago
      Yes YouTube and Google appear to have deprioritized neutrality in recent years, which I think is a mistake for them. But I also think this particular instance is not the right hill for people who care about that to die on. It’s a form of falsely or mistakenly crying wolf and will cost them credibility.

cycomanic 7y ago

The statement about fauci is also blatantly false. He did go out of his way to treat an (multiple?) ebola patient in 2015 for example

AareyBaba 7y ago

Also "If people can go to Costco, then why can't they go to church".

CamperBob2 7y ago
Man may not live by bread alone, but bread will get you through times of no religion better than religion will get you through times of no bread.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]

shkkmo 7y ago

> Coronavirus lasts on plastics for 3 days, and we're all sheltering in place. Where'd you get your water bottles from? Costco. Where'd you get that plastic shovel from? Home Depot. Those are fomites and carries of disease... and if I swab things in your home, I would likely find COVID-19. > When you go to Del Taco and you get a plastic bag or piece on your burrito from someone not wearing a mask who's just wiping their arm on your thing, do you think you're protected from COVID? The point isn't that chance of infection goes to zero. Yes of course there are still transmission vectors, the point is to reduce the transmission rate. Even if there is a small chance of catching covid from your water bottles or dell taco, those chances are also reduced relative to no lockdown because the people who would be transmitting that virus to you are less also less likely to be sick. > We wear masks in an acute setting to protect us. We're not wearing masks, why is that? 'Cuz we understand microbiology, we understand immunology, and we want strong immune systems. I don't want to hide in my home, develop a weak immune system, and come out and get diseased. Then these guys are selfish, putting their own desire for health above the needs of their more vulnerable familty, friends, neighbors and fellow citizens. > Is the flu less dangerous than COVID? Let's look at the death rates, no it's not. They're similar in prevalence and in death rate. Covid outpaced the standard flu season's death total in less than half the time and did it in the face of the most draconian public health measures in a century (or ever depending on your location).