6 ms·

Google/YouTube is moving from annoying to disgusting. If the claims are wrong, take them apart. Censorship is not the way.

techntoke 7y ago
Businesses have the right to refuse service, why should YouTube be any different? I think the solution is a decentralized video sharing platform.
- golergka 7y ago
  > why should YouTube be any different? Because it's almost a monopoly. It's not one of roughly equal dozens video hosting services. It's freaking youtube.
  - olliej 7y ago
    No it’s not. There are innumerable hosting services. The crux is people wanting to spread their views but who don’t want to pay to do that.
    - RonanTheGrey 7y ago
      > There are innumerable hosting services. Is this an honest comment or one you hope won't be challenged? There are NO video hosting services with the popularity or reach of YouTube, by a very long shot. Customers of ours have lost their entire livelihood because content that was present on YouTube for a decade was suddenly politically incorrect and their accounts got banned. That wouldn't be the case if they had more than one reasonable option.
      - techntoke 7y ago
        There are hundreds if not thousands of video sharing platforms. Plus a shared web host cost very little, and there is always BitTorrent too. No one is forcing anyone to use YouTube for videos. Anyone that lost their livelihood because of YouTube should have read the TOS.
        downerending 7y ago
        That may well be true, but it's not a reason for me to think of Google/YouTube's behavior as in any way acceptable.
        techntoke 7y ago
        So in order to have a business, you believe that you should have to cater to everyone regardless of what they do or say because otherwise you are censoring them?
        downerending 7y ago
        I think that if you get a reputation for immoral behavior, even if it's legal, your business is going to eventually pay a price (and rightfully so).
        techntoke 7y ago
        Have you told that to Comcast?
        RonanTheGrey 7y ago
        YouTube is not "just any business" and the idea of regulating what is otherwise legal behavior is well-established.
        RonanTheGrey 7y ago
        > There are hundreds if not thousands of video sharing platforms. You keep trying to gloss over the fact that RandomVideo has nowhere near the size or reach of YouTube. Monopolies DO NOT REQUIRE zero competitors, that has never been part of their definition. Some videos on YT have BILLIONS of views. There's literally no meaningful competitor.
  - seppin 6y ago
    You misunderstand the word "monopoly". Youtube is where the exposure is, they technology for hosting videos is a commodity. In other words, no one has the "right" to Youtube's distribution and promotion. Put you video on another site and promote it yourself.
jdkee 7y ago
You are apparently unaware of how anti-vaccination videos are promoted as legitimate on social media platforms.

techntoke 7y ago

Businesses have the right to refuse service, why should YouTube be any different? I think the solution is a decentralized video sharing platform.

golergka 7y ago
> why should YouTube be any different? Because it's almost a monopoly. It's not one of roughly equal dozens video hosting services. It's freaking youtube.
- olliej 7y ago
  No it’s not. There are innumerable hosting services. The crux is people wanting to spread their views but who don’t want to pay to do that.
  - RonanTheGrey 7y ago
    > There are innumerable hosting services. Is this an honest comment or one you hope won't be challenged? There are NO video hosting services with the popularity or reach of YouTube, by a very long shot. Customers of ours have lost their entire livelihood because content that was present on YouTube for a decade was suddenly politically incorrect and their accounts got banned. That wouldn't be the case if they had more than one reasonable option.
    - techntoke 7y ago
      There are hundreds if not thousands of video sharing platforms. Plus a shared web host cost very little, and there is always BitTorrent too. No one is forcing anyone to use YouTube for videos. Anyone that lost their livelihood because of YouTube should have read the TOS.
      - downerending 7y ago
        That may well be true, but it's not a reason for me to think of Google/YouTube's behavior as in any way acceptable.
        techntoke 7y ago
        So in order to have a business, you believe that you should have to cater to everyone regardless of what they do or say because otherwise you are censoring them?
        downerending 7y ago
        I think that if you get a reputation for immoral behavior, even if it's legal, your business is going to eventually pay a price (and rightfully so).
        techntoke 7y ago
        Have you told that to Comcast?
        RonanTheGrey 7y ago
        YouTube is not "just any business" and the idea of regulating what is otherwise legal behavior is well-established.
      - RonanTheGrey 7y ago
        > There are hundreds if not thousands of video sharing platforms. You keep trying to gloss over the fact that RandomVideo has nowhere near the size or reach of YouTube. Monopolies DO NOT REQUIRE zero competitors, that has never been part of their definition. Some videos on YT have BILLIONS of views. There's literally no meaningful competitor.
- seppin 6y ago
  You misunderstand the word "monopoly". Youtube is where the exposure is, they technology for hosting videos is a commodity. In other words, no one has the "right" to Youtube's distribution and promotion. Put you video on another site and promote it yourself.

jdkee 7y ago

You are apparently unaware of how anti-vaccination videos are promoted as legitimate on social media platforms.