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Having servers in a colo is pretty much what "having a datacenter" means for the last 10 years or so. I'm surprised at your viewpoint of "having a datacentre" m

Having servers in a colo is pretty much what "having a datacenter" means for the last 10 years or so. I'm surprised at your viewpoint of "having a datacentre" meaning only having direct ownership of the piece of land on which the datacentre resides. That's a pretty rigid and outdated definition.

oneplane 6y ago
Maybe where you live, but not where I live and probably also not where he lives. When we (locally) talk about having your own hardware we use terms like 'bare metal' and 'machines' or even the specific names of the types of machines, like 'the blades' or 'the dells'. We really only use 'datacenter' when we talk about a physical location we own, with power we own, cooling we own, networking we own, and access control we own. Otherwise it's just colo.
- jayp 6y ago
  Where is this place? I agree with grandparent - for the past decade or so, having your “own datacenter” means leasing floorspace in an actual datacenter run and managed by someone else. I live and work in the Bay area. I was part of the larger org that ran Uber’s datacenter (co-located) and that’s how it was talked about.
  - latch 6y ago
    If 'having your "own datacenter"' means colocation, how do you say "having your own datacenter"?
    - jayp 6y ago
      Good question. Probably the same. English, and especially business English, is not a precise language. I am not really an expert but was part of the larger org. Just to be clear - colocation here is in order of thousands of square feet. The datacenter provider provides redundant utilities. The customer does everything else.
      - sarakayakomzin 6y ago
        >English, and especially business English, is not a precise language. it's pretty precise when you make the effort. "having your own data center" is having your own data center. "having multiple colocations" is being colocated. There's a difference between "business English" and lying. See Zoom's "end-to-end" encryption. This is the exact kind of anti-consumer misleading bullshit that people love to echo in the startup sphere while disregarding any actual consequences.
      - BubRoss 6y ago
        Seems a little silly to blame english when people bend terminology to muddy the waters on purpose. When 'serverless' means easily using a server and 'we have our own datacenter' means 'we don't have our own data center and rent from someone else' maybe the problem is people trying to stretch the significance of what they are doing. If someone says 'I own my house' and they actually mean 'I rent an apartment', no one is going to say 'oh well, english is an imprecise language'.
        barkingcat 6y ago
        The difference is the word own. In all the examples given earlier, the words "I have a datacentre" (or the approximate "I have my own datacenter") vs "I own a datacentre" (or the approximate "I own my own datacentre") have very significant differences. In the UK, many people would say "I have a flat in this district" and that would be understood as being a renter, since some UK neighborhoods are just too expensive, and renting is the norm rather than ownership. Similar in North American cities "I have an apartment in a brownstone in Manhattan" - does not necessarily mean they own it, but it could mean ownership or rental or lease or rent-controlled/stabilized tenancy (which could go on for multiple decades/generations of inhabitancy).
        BubRoss 6y ago
        This is just bending over backwards to try to justify companies and people playing fast and loose to obscure what they actually have. If someone says "I have a brownstone in Manhattan" and they actually mean they rent one of seven rooms, it's just a lie.
  - oneplane 6y ago
    Western Europe and Scandinavia mostly.

oneplane 6y ago

Maybe where you live, but not where I live and probably also not where he lives. When we (locally) talk about having your own hardware we use terms like 'bare metal' and 'machines' or even the specific names of the types of machines, like 'the blades' or 'the dells'. We really only use 'datacenter' when we talk about a physical location we own, with power we own, cooling we own, networking we own, and access control we own. Otherwise it's just colo.

jayp 6y ago
Where is this place? I agree with grandparent - for the past decade or so, having your “own datacenter” means leasing floorspace in an actual datacenter run and managed by someone else. I live and work in the Bay area. I was part of the larger org that ran Uber’s datacenter (co-located) and that’s how it was talked about.
- latch 6y ago
  If 'having your "own datacenter"' means colocation, how do you say "having your own datacenter"?
  - jayp 6y ago
    Good question. Probably the same. English, and especially business English, is not a precise language. I am not really an expert but was part of the larger org. Just to be clear - colocation here is in order of thousands of square feet. The datacenter provider provides redundant utilities. The customer does everything else.
    - sarakayakomzin 6y ago
      >English, and especially business English, is not a precise language. it's pretty precise when you make the effort. "having your own data center" is having your own data center. "having multiple colocations" is being colocated. There's a difference between "business English" and lying. See Zoom's "end-to-end" encryption. This is the exact kind of anti-consumer misleading bullshit that people love to echo in the startup sphere while disregarding any actual consequences.
    - BubRoss 6y ago
      Seems a little silly to blame english when people bend terminology to muddy the waters on purpose. When 'serverless' means easily using a server and 'we have our own datacenter' means 'we don't have our own data center and rent from someone else' maybe the problem is people trying to stretch the significance of what they are doing. If someone says 'I own my house' and they actually mean 'I rent an apartment', no one is going to say 'oh well, english is an imprecise language'.
      - barkingcat 6y ago
        The difference is the word own. In all the examples given earlier, the words "I have a datacentre" (or the approximate "I have my own datacenter") vs "I own a datacentre" (or the approximate "I own my own datacentre") have very significant differences. In the UK, many people would say "I have a flat in this district" and that would be understood as being a renter, since some UK neighborhoods are just too expensive, and renting is the norm rather than ownership. Similar in North American cities "I have an apartment in a brownstone in Manhattan" - does not necessarily mean they own it, but it could mean ownership or rental or lease or rent-controlled/stabilized tenancy (which could go on for multiple decades/generations of inhabitancy).
        BubRoss 6y ago
        This is just bending over backwards to try to justify companies and people playing fast and loose to obscure what they actually have. If someone says "I have a brownstone in Manhattan" and they actually mean they rent one of seven rooms, it's just a lie.
- oneplane 6y ago
  Western Europe and Scandinavia mostly.