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>And the biggest joke of all is that eradication is impossible and therefore we didn’t prevent any mortality, we just postponed it Umm, no. Do you think that

>And the biggest joke of all is that eradication is impossible and therefore we didn’t prevent any mortality, we just postponed it Umm, no. Do you think that hospitals are overloaded with COVID-19 patients just so that they could die comfortably there? The point of shelter-in-place is to prevent overloading of hospitals so that both COVID-19 patients and everyone else could get care - and have their lives saved by medics (which is often possible). The alternative is the Italy scenario, where the doctors will have plenty treatable COVID-19 cases, but no means to save the lives that can actually be saved. >How large of a spike in suicides, opioid overdoses, and psychosis are we going to see? > social isolation [...] produces its own mortality This is scaremongering. If you have any estimates, go ahead, and pit them against what is now the #1 cause of death in many regions across the US. >We treated a really bad but manageable papercut.. The number of people who died from COVID-19 is about the same as people who died in the Vietnam war at this point. I don't know how else to convey the point that it's not quite a 'paper cut'. >We’ve stopped educating our children in person despite covid-19 being less deadly than Influenza in children (this is a fact at this point). Yes, because schools is how the flu spreads to parents of these children - and everyone else in that household. > There is no way to counteract that by injecting money. There is also no way to bring people back to life. Cry me a river about destruction of wealth.

__blockcipher__ 7y ago
> The point of shelter-in-place is to prevent overloading of hospitals so that both COVID-19 patients and everyone else could get care - and have their lives saved by medics (which is often possible). We achieved that, and yet we're still locked down. Why? The fears of hospital overruns was based on scary numbers that turned out to not reflect reality at all. The hospitalization rate is far lower than we thought. The infection fatality rate is far lower than was implied by the CFRs being thrown around. > This is scaremongering. If you have any estimates, go ahead, and pit them against what is now the #1 cause of death in many regions across the US. No, it's not. But anyway, I predict at least an extra 50,000 suicides (i.e. a 2x risk of suicide). Similarly, we could easily see twice as many opioid overdoses which would be another 60,000. (I feel more confident in the spike in suicide than the spike of overdoses because it may be that the fentanyl supply chain has been disrupted). > The number of people who died from COVID-19 is about the same as people who died in the Vietnam war at this point. And also roughly the same as the number of people who died from the Flu last year. And about 1/10 of the estimated 480,000 smoking deaths per year in the US. But, I'm not saying that Covid is not a big deal. What I'm actually saying is that lockdowns don't reduce mortality whatsoever, rather they increase it, because containment is not a viable strategy and the lockdown harms groups who never would have been harmed by Covid. I'm predicting well over 100,000 Covid deaths this year. > There is also no way to bring people back to life. Cry me a river about destruction of wealth. The lockdown is destroying life, not "just" wealth. And I don't just mean in wellbeing, which we've absolutely destroyed. We're causing actual deaths by foregoing preventative care, furloughing tens of thousands of healthcare workers across the country, and increasing mortality from suicide/overdose/all cause mortality in general. -- Here, go ahead and read https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=22961835&goto=threads%3Fid%3D__blockcipher__%2322961835 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=22961835&goto=threads%...

__blockcipher__ 7y ago

> The point of shelter-in-place is to prevent overloading of hospitals so that both COVID-19 patients and everyone else could get care - and have their lives saved by medics (which is often possible). We achieved that, and yet we're still locked down. Why? The fears of hospital overruns was based on scary numbers that turned out to not reflect reality at all. The hospitalization rate is far lower than we thought. The infection fatality rate is far lower than was implied by the CFRs being thrown around. > This is scaremongering. If you have any estimates, go ahead, and pit them against what is now the #1 cause of death in many regions across the US. No, it's not. But anyway, I predict at least an extra 50,000 suicides (i.e. a 2x risk of suicide). Similarly, we could easily see twice as many opioid overdoses which would be another 60,000. (I feel more confident in the spike in suicide than the spike of overdoses because it may be that the fentanyl supply chain has been disrupted). > The number of people who died from COVID-19 is about the same as people who died in the Vietnam war at this point. And also roughly the same as the number of people who died from the Flu last year. And about 1/10 of the estimated 480,000 smoking deaths per year in the US. But, I'm not saying that Covid is not a big deal. What I'm actually saying is that lockdowns don't reduce mortality whatsoever, rather they increase it, because containment is not a viable strategy and the lockdown harms groups who never would have been harmed by Covid. I'm predicting well over 100,000 Covid deaths this year. > There is also no way to bring people back to life. Cry me a river about destruction of wealth. The lockdown is destroying life, not "just" wealth. And I don't just mean in wellbeing, which we've absolutely destroyed. We're causing actual deaths by foregoing preventative care, furloughing tens of thousands of healthcare workers across the country, and increasing mortality from suicide/overdose/all cause mortality in general. -- Here, go ahead and read https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=22961835&goto=threads%3Fid%3D__blockcipher__%2322961835 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=22961835&goto=threads%...