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Because you live in a lawless oligarchy that has been rubber stamping the rich's laws for 2 straight centuries. See the endless extension of copyright. https:

by som33 6y ago

Because you live in a lawless oligarchy that has been rubber stamping the rich's laws for 2 straight centuries. See the endless extension of copyright. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#/media/File:Tom_Bell's_graph_showing_extension_of_U.S._copyright_term_over_time.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#/...

topkai22 6y ago
Interesting choice since the extension of copyright ended in 2019 and works have started entering the public domain again.
- thatguy0900 6y ago
  I'll believe that if mickey mouse becomes public domain. Currently slated for 2024, apparently.
- thendrill 6y ago
  Except for Disney IP. Such an irony since Disney made all its initial money by animating public domain works. Fuck that mouse
- wahern 6y ago
  Copyright for pre-1972 recordings was effectively extended in 2018 an additional 25 years, depending on your state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modernization_Act#Title_II:_CLASSICS_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modernization_Act#Title_... State-based copyright for recordings in California, for example, was 70 years. The extension of federal copyright to cover pre-1972 recordings ensures a 95-year duration--longer for some earlier works.
asdff 6y ago
Is there a government in existence now or at any time in the past that didn't solely exist to rubberstamp the rich's laws? The peasants republic of Dithmarschen?
- frostwhale 6y ago
  I mean, yeah. There have been a lot of revolutions in world history. They did not exist _solely_ to rubber stamp the laws of the rich.
  - asdff 6y ago
    Even those revolutions that were overtly for the people were subvertly actually for elevating and empowering the inner circle of the revolution leaders. I'd love to find an example of a national government that prioritizes the well being of the majority rather than the personal profits of the oligarchy, but I don't believe one exists or has existed for some time.
dang 6y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23012844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23012844.
- rmrfstar 6y ago
  This isn't necessarily an unrelated controversy. Excessive record sealing, secret legal opinions, pay-walled public records, and the fact that Federal courts are only available to large businesses while the rest of us are forced into arbitration, are all closely related issues. There is a good faith argument that copyright term extensions are but another example of the common thread connecting those issues.
  - viklove 6y ago
    No reasonable person would say som33's comment was an "unrelated controversy," it's a clear response to the question "Why was a case involving a wealthy corporation sealed?" The way HN is moderated does not welcome this line of questioning, though. You're not allowed to suggest that VC-funded tech might be a source of evil or bad ethics. Proof? Here's a similar "flame-baity" comment under this topic that sits on the other side of the argument, but dang doesn't care enough to respond or detach it from its parent: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=23013083&goto=item%3Fid%3D23012320%2323013083 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=23013083&goto=item%3Fi...
    - dang 6y ago
      Oh you guys. The GP comment was just the sort of flamebait that we don't want on HN, regardless of flavor. We'd moderate it just the same the other way [1]. Big denunciatory rhetoric is just not what this site is for. Repetition and indignation are the two things that most kill curiosity, so repetition of indignation is the worst. [2] An arbitrary link doesn't prove anything except that we may not have seen a post. That's the simplest explanation, and the likeliest [3]. HN gets millions of comments a year. We don't come close to reading them all, and we can't moderate what we don't see. We rely on community members to flag the posts that most require moderator attention. You haven't flagged any, including the one you're complaining about here, so it's not clear to me how much you care about this. It sort of spoils the game of get-the-moderators when the mods finally show up and sweep the floor or whatever. For a while it was a sport on Twitter to pass such links around ("see what horrors the Hacker News moderators approve of!") but I hear that's mostly died out. [1] By the way, the last time you were upset about moderator bias, I ended up giving you an extremely detailed reply. You may not have seen it, though, because it took me a couple days to get back to the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22920602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22920602. Read those links—"The mods here are radical liberals", "socialist-leaning mods", "far-left social justice agenda" and the rest—and see how much evidentiary value you still think these gotcha games have. [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20repetition%20indignation&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20likeliest&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
redis_mlc 6y ago
Blunt, but accurate. Was there any state governor in the first 100 years of this country that wasn't on somebody's payroll? They didn't even bother to hide it. Read about the Hawaii coup sometime if you want to see ugliness. Notice how all those tall buildings in downtown Honolulu are named after Westerners? Is it any different today?

by som33 6y ago

topkai22 6y ago

Interesting choice since the extension of copyright ended in 2019 and works have started entering the public domain again.

thatguy0900 6y ago
I'll believe that if mickey mouse becomes public domain. Currently slated for 2024, apparently.
thendrill 6y ago
Except for Disney IP. Such an irony since Disney made all its initial money by animating public domain works. Fuck that mouse
wahern 6y ago
Copyright for pre-1972 recordings was effectively extended in 2018 an additional 25 years, depending on your state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modernization_Act#Title_II:_CLASSICS_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Modernization_Act#Title_... State-based copyright for recordings in California, for example, was 70 years. The extension of federal copyright to cover pre-1972 recordings ensures a 95-year duration--longer for some earlier works.

asdff 6y ago

Is there a government in existence now or at any time in the past that didn't solely exist to rubberstamp the rich's laws? The peasants republic of Dithmarschen?

frostwhale 6y ago
I mean, yeah. There have been a lot of revolutions in world history. They did not exist _solely_ to rubber stamp the laws of the rich.
- asdff 6y ago
  Even those revolutions that were overtly for the people were subvertly actually for elevating and empowering the inner circle of the revolution leaders. I'd love to find an example of a national government that prioritizes the well being of the majority rather than the personal profits of the oligarchy, but I don't believe one exists or has existed for some time.

dang 6y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23012844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23012844.

rmrfstar 6y ago
This isn't necessarily an unrelated controversy. Excessive record sealing, secret legal opinions, pay-walled public records, and the fact that Federal courts are only available to large businesses while the rest of us are forced into arbitration, are all closely related issues. There is a good faith argument that copyright term extensions are but another example of the common thread connecting those issues.
- viklove 6y ago
  No reasonable person would say som33's comment was an "unrelated controversy," it's a clear response to the question "Why was a case involving a wealthy corporation sealed?" The way HN is moderated does not welcome this line of questioning, though. You're not allowed to suggest that VC-funded tech might be a source of evil or bad ethics. Proof? Here's a similar "flame-baity" comment under this topic that sits on the other side of the argument, but dang doesn't care enough to respond or detach it from its parent: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=23013083&goto=item%3Fid%3D23012320%2323013083 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=23013083&goto=item%3Fi...
  - dang 6y ago
    Oh you guys. The GP comment was just the sort of flamebait that we don't want on HN, regardless of flavor. We'd moderate it just the same the other way [1]. Big denunciatory rhetoric is just not what this site is for. Repetition and indignation are the two things that most kill curiosity, so repetition of indignation is the worst. [2] An arbitrary link doesn't prove anything except that we may not have seen a post. That's the simplest explanation, and the likeliest [3]. HN gets millions of comments a year. We don't come close to reading them all, and we can't moderate what we don't see. We rely on community members to flag the posts that most require moderator attention. You haven't flagged any, including the one you're complaining about here, so it's not clear to me how much you care about this. It sort of spoils the game of get-the-moderators when the mods finally show up and sweep the floor or whatever. For a while it was a sport on Twitter to pass such links around ("see what horrors the Hacker News moderators approve of!") but I hear that's mostly died out. [1] By the way, the last time you were upset about moderator bias, I ended up giving you an extremely detailed reply. You may not have seen it, though, because it took me a couple days to get back to the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22920602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22920602. Read those links—"The mods here are radical liberals", "socialist-leaning mods", "far-left social justice agenda" and the rest—and see how much evidentiary value you still think these gotcha games have. [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20repetition%20indignation&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20likeliest&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

redis_mlc 6y ago

Blunt, but accurate. Was there any state governor in the first 100 years of this country that wasn't on somebody's payroll? They didn't even bother to hide it. Read about the Hawaii coup sometime if you want to see ugliness. Notice how all those tall buildings in downtown Honolulu are named after Westerners? Is it any different today?