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From my personal experience, I do great when I can sit in a classroom and absorb what's being presented. You put the lecturer behind a screen, live or pre-recor

From my personal experience, I do great when I can sit in a classroom and absorb what's being presented. You put the lecturer behind a screen, live or pre-recorded, and I lose most of my ability to stay on track.

zarkov99 6y ago
Does the equation change if you get the best teacher in the world via video vs just an average teacher live?
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  For me the answer is “no”. I can’t do video learning without getting distracted quickly.
  - tamaharbor 6y ago
    And then Judge Judy comes on the TV...
- deleted 6y ago
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- SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
  Can't speak for the poster, but for myself it's much easier to pay attention and be present when I have a bit of a push through the simple desire to appear engaged. Otherwise it's easier to zone out.
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  - zarkov99 6y ago
    Do you think that perhaps that issue might be alleviated if the lecture is intertwined with interactive quizzes, models, examples, things like that?
    - SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
      Possibly? My grades slipped in university once I realized that no one knew my name and no one much cared. Really it's about the interaction with my teacher and the desire to keep from disappointing.
    - ardy42 6y ago
      Could you replace your dog with videos of the best dog in the world along with integrated Tamagotchi-style interactive components [1]? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi
      - zarkov99 6y ago
        I expected different things from my dog and my teacher when I was a kid. I still do today. Many of my teachers, most even, could have been replaced, with with some gain, by high-quality videos and quizzes.
        intended 6y ago
        I think the point being raised is not about the expectations of a dog and a of a teacher. The point is between a simulacrum of a dog, and an actual living breathing dog with its own wants/needs/spontaneous behavior and personality. Similarly, the expectations of an actual teacher, vs just self learning with tests. This issue is captured in Blooms 2 sigma problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom%27s_2_sigma_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom%27s_2_sigma_problem
        wolco 6y ago
        It changes based on the user. Someone get's hives around dogs. Perhaps the online version is better. Depends on the need. I want to learn about all dogs. Online would offer more. I want to learn more about this one dog perhaps locally observing is better. Depends on the technology at the time. Online might offer the same experiences locally in the future. VR might give you the chance to meet that dog and interact virtually.
- asdff 6y ago
  It doesn't matter for me. In class I'm engaged with my professors. Over zoom I can't seem to get the words to stick in my brain. I have no idea why. I really try to stay engaged in zoom but somehow I can't. It's not just class too. I forget what I talked about in meetings with colleagues. I talked to people from class and my coworkers about this, and I'm far from alone with these feelings and a lack of focus on zoom. Something to do with the cadence of speech, lack of body language maybe, maybe something deeper and more primal. I thought I would love working from home, now I'm itching to get back just so I can function again.
- threatofrain 6y ago
  I don't know the difference between the world's best and very good, but Khan Academy is very good and teachers have already been turning their students onto it as supplemental education. We always had the ability to throw kids onto Khan Academy.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > Does the equation change if you get the best teacher in the world via video vs just an average teacher live? That's a really weird way of thinking about it. You're completely ignoring the relational aspect of learning and focusing exclusively on the artifact of a particular presentation of some content. You also seems to be assuming that everyone learns the same way without variation. Commodification and mass production are improvements in a lot of areas, but not all. I don't think you can rank the teachers of the world from best to worst, when often the best teacher is a good-enough one that understands you.
  - zarkov99 6y ago
    Well, sure, I guess. I suppose a great teacher can be a positive influence beyond academics in some ineffable ways. However, as far my kids are concerned, my wife and I can provide the positive influence and the teacher can handle the academics. And that aspect of the teachers job is much more quantifiable and there are definitely people who are much better than others at it.
- eitally 6y ago
  No,because in order for it to make a difference the student needs to be in a mental state for it to make said difference. It's just too hard for many kids to get motivated to self-teach, especially with no practical experience.
eightysixfour 6y ago
In this situation we are forced to use distance learning, I’m not saying these ideas should carry over to “normal” times, only that the situation presents an incredible opportunity for testing other methods.
DoreenMichele 6y ago
This (plus at least one other here, so it's not really "just you") makes me wonder if you/some people who find this problematic have an issue like central auditory processing disorder. People with CAPD are often dependent to a high degree on lip reading and video feed may disrupt the connection between words and mouth movements just enough to inject too much noise into the signal. If you don't realize this is what you are doing, you can't readily compensate when it gets disrupted.
rorykoehler 6y ago
I'm the opposite but that is largely irrelevant. First I'm a fully grown adult with intrinsic motivation. Second school should be more about socialising and hands-on learning which you can't do over Zoom. Though he isn't in school yet I'm very worried about the psychological stress this lockdown is causing my 2 year old. He is definitely not as "free" in his outside world interactions anymore. I hope this is temporary and we can reverse it through gradual rolling back of the restrictions.

zarkov99 6y ago

Does the equation change if you get the best teacher in the world via video vs just an average teacher live?

Ididntdothis 6y ago
For me the answer is “no”. I can’t do video learning without getting distracted quickly.
- tamaharbor 6y ago
  And then Judge Judy comes on the TV...
deleted 6y ago
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SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
Can't speak for the poster, but for myself it's much easier to pay attention and be present when I have a bit of a push through the simple desire to appear engaged. Otherwise it's easier to zone out.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- zarkov99 6y ago
  Do you think that perhaps that issue might be alleviated if the lecture is intertwined with interactive quizzes, models, examples, things like that?
  - SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
    Possibly? My grades slipped in university once I realized that no one knew my name and no one much cared. Really it's about the interaction with my teacher and the desire to keep from disappointing.
  - ardy42 6y ago
    Could you replace your dog with videos of the best dog in the world along with integrated Tamagotchi-style interactive components [1]? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi
    - zarkov99 6y ago
      I expected different things from my dog and my teacher when I was a kid. I still do today. Many of my teachers, most even, could have been replaced, with with some gain, by high-quality videos and quizzes.
      - intended 6y ago
        I think the point being raised is not about the expectations of a dog and a of a teacher. The point is between a simulacrum of a dog, and an actual living breathing dog with its own wants/needs/spontaneous behavior and personality. Similarly, the expectations of an actual teacher, vs just self learning with tests. This issue is captured in Blooms 2 sigma problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom%27s_2_sigma_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom%27s_2_sigma_problem
        wolco 6y ago
        It changes based on the user. Someone get's hives around dogs. Perhaps the online version is better. Depends on the need. I want to learn about all dogs. Online would offer more. I want to learn more about this one dog perhaps locally observing is better. Depends on the technology at the time. Online might offer the same experiences locally in the future. VR might give you the chance to meet that dog and interact virtually.
asdff 6y ago
It doesn't matter for me. In class I'm engaged with my professors. Over zoom I can't seem to get the words to stick in my brain. I have no idea why. I really try to stay engaged in zoom but somehow I can't. It's not just class too. I forget what I talked about in meetings with colleagues. I talked to people from class and my coworkers about this, and I'm far from alone with these feelings and a lack of focus on zoom. Something to do with the cadence of speech, lack of body language maybe, maybe something deeper and more primal. I thought I would love working from home, now I'm itching to get back just so I can function again.
threatofrain 6y ago
I don't know the difference between the world's best and very good, but Khan Academy is very good and teachers have already been turning their students onto it as supplemental education. We always had the ability to throw kids onto Khan Academy.
ardy42 6y ago
> Does the equation change if you get the best teacher in the world via video vs just an average teacher live? That's a really weird way of thinking about it. You're completely ignoring the relational aspect of learning and focusing exclusively on the artifact of a particular presentation of some content. You also seems to be assuming that everyone learns the same way without variation. Commodification and mass production are improvements in a lot of areas, but not all. I don't think you can rank the teachers of the world from best to worst, when often the best teacher is a good-enough one that understands you.
- zarkov99 6y ago
  Well, sure, I guess. I suppose a great teacher can be a positive influence beyond academics in some ineffable ways. However, as far my kids are concerned, my wife and I can provide the positive influence and the teacher can handle the academics. And that aspect of the teachers job is much more quantifiable and there are definitely people who are much better than others at it.
eitally 6y ago
No,because in order for it to make a difference the student needs to be in a mental state for it to make said difference. It's just too hard for many kids to get motivated to self-teach, especially with no practical experience.

eightysixfour 6y ago

In this situation we are forced to use distance learning, I’m not saying these ideas should carry over to “normal” times, only that the situation presents an incredible opportunity for testing other methods.

DoreenMichele 6y ago

This (plus at least one other here, so it's not really "just you") makes me wonder if you/some people who find this problematic have an issue like central auditory processing disorder. People with CAPD are often dependent to a high degree on lip reading and video feed may disrupt the connection between words and mouth movements just enough to inject too much noise into the signal. If you don't realize this is what you are doing, you can't readily compensate when it gets disrupted.

rorykoehler 6y ago

I'm the opposite but that is largely irrelevant. First I'm a fully grown adult with intrinsic motivation. Second school should be more about socialising and hands-on learning which you can't do over Zoom. Though he isn't in school yet I'm very worried about the psychological stress this lockdown is causing my 2 year old. He is definitely not as "free" in his outside world interactions anymore. I hope this is temporary and we can reverse it through gradual rolling back of the restrictions.