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A bigger question is how is one allowed to join the navy after taking part in a racially motivated drive-by shooting?

by rvp-x 6y ago

maerF0x0 6y ago
and it's follow up is how can a remorseful person make amends and resume normality? I'd argue if there is no path back to normality they they will, by definition, forever find fringe behavior necessary and rational
- teachrdan 6y ago
  One way a sincere ex-neo Nazi could return to normality is by ceasing to socialize with active neo Nazis. That was not the case here. From the above quote regarding his seeking out and spending time with the same white supremacists: "I ended up meeting with them..." How does one "end up" meeting with neo Nazis? He fails to take responsibility for his behavior after his hate crimes conviction!
  - maerF0x0 6y ago
    > How does one "end up" meeting with neo Nazis? Probably the same way that alcoholics often end up at bars. For alcoholics their existing friends are often all alcoholics too, and to them normal people just dont "feel right" and are hard to meet when the only place you feel comfortable is a bar. Similarly, when tryin to extricate oneself from a undesired community (toxic or otherwise) one has to learn where to meet people from the desired community, unlearn the undesired values+vernacular, learn the values+vernacular of the new community. etc. We're herd creatures and, for many, not having a herd feels like being on the brink of death.
  - yellowapple 6y ago
    > How does one "end up" meeting with neo Nazis? For one, if you happen to be in the same military unit, "meeting with them" is kind of an inevitability. Also, this was still 30 years ago. If this is seriously the most recent example we have of him continuing to interact with neo-Nazis, then I feel like it's reasonably plausible that he's sincere barring further evidence to the contrary.
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- burner831234 6y ago
  This is so telling. There are so many individuals in our society who were participating in mainstream behavior and are still rotting away in jail. Equality through jail isn't the goal, but we'd be remiss to ignore that he's admitted to a hate crime and living a pretty full life. It is yet another example of the cracks in the rule of law
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- rhizome 6y ago
  >I'd argue if there is no path back to normality Well come on, it takes more than being "sorry" and building companies and "trying to treat everyone equally." Nothing he mentioned, besides apparently turning snitch in some cases, is even a hint of undoing the damage he did. Said another way: one way to make amends is to at least do something, you know, like even try to walk a path, any path. It doesn't sound like he's done more than stop hanging out with some people, which, congratulations, but it's no Nobel Peace Prize material. He should strive for Nobel Peace Prize material. Again: anything.
michaelcampbell 6y ago
Wasn't it fairly common in the US' past that military service was an option if you didn't want to go to jail? I don't know for which crimes this applied, but it was definitely a thing.
- pyuser583 6y ago
  During the Vietnam era. Not 32 years ago.

A bigger question is how is one allowed to join the navy after taking part in a racially motivated drive-by shooting?

by rvp-x 6y ago

A bigger question is how is one allowed to join the navy after taking part in a racially motivated drive-by shooting?

and it's follow up is how can a remorseful person make amends and resume normality? I'd argue if there is no path back to normality they they will, by definition, forever find fringe behavior necessary and rational

teachrdan 6y ago
One way a sincere ex-neo Nazi could return to normality is by ceasing to socialize with active neo Nazis. That was not the case here. From the above quote regarding his seeking out and spending time with the same white supremacists: "I ended up meeting with them..." How does one "end up" meeting with neo Nazis? He fails to take responsibility for his behavior after his hate crimes conviction!
- maerF0x0 6y ago
  > How does one "end up" meeting with neo Nazis? Probably the same way that alcoholics often end up at bars. For alcoholics their existing friends are often all alcoholics too, and to them normal people just dont "feel right" and are hard to meet when the only place you feel comfortable is a bar. Similarly, when tryin to extricate oneself from a undesired community (toxic or otherwise) one has to learn where to meet people from the desired community, unlearn the undesired values+vernacular, learn the values+vernacular of the new community. etc. We're herd creatures and, for many, not having a herd feels like being on the brink of death.
- yellowapple 6y ago
  > How does one "end up" meeting with neo Nazis? For one, if you happen to be in the same military unit, "meeting with them" is kind of an inevitability. Also, this was still 30 years ago. If this is seriously the most recent example we have of him continuing to interact with neo-Nazis, then I feel like it's reasonably plausible that he's sincere barring further evidence to the contrary.
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burner831234 6y ago
This is so telling. There are so many individuals in our society who were participating in mainstream behavior and are still rotting away in jail. Equality through jail isn't the goal, but we'd be remiss to ignore that he's admitted to a hate crime and living a pretty full life. It is yet another example of the cracks in the rule of law
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rhizome 6y ago
>I'd argue if there is no path back to normality Well come on, it takes more than being "sorry" and building companies and "trying to treat everyone equally." Nothing he mentioned, besides apparently turning snitch in some cases, is even a hint of undoing the damage he did. Said another way: one way to make amends is to at least do something, you know, like even try to walk a path, any path. It doesn't sound like he's done more than stop hanging out with some people, which, congratulations, but it's no Nobel Peace Prize material. He should strive for Nobel Peace Prize material. Again: anything.

michaelcampbell 6y ago

Wasn't it fairly common in the US' past that military service was an option if you didn't want to go to jail? I don't know for which crimes this applied, but it was definitely a thing.

pyuser583 6y ago
During the Vietnam era. Not 32 years ago.