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I think you're using poor as a proxy for uninvolved parents. I'd actually be interested in the data if anyone has it. If you have no dad and mom is working the

I think you're using poor as a proxy for uninvolved parents. I'd actually be interested in the data if anyone has it. If you have no dad and mom is working then you're at a huge disadvantage no matter what. These same kids ruin school for everyone else. Dead beat parents treat school like a day-care and ruins the learning experience for everyone else. Also poor kids go to poor schools. 35 kids to a class, teacher who has mentally checked out 3 decades ago, gang activity in the halls, books are literally falling apart. Going to a poor school sucks more than learning from home. Bullies and gang activities are rampant. School administration doesn't care because those stats make the school look bad. Yuck

searchableguy 6y ago
I agree. Source - hopped around 6 poor schools
kaitai 6y ago
I went to a poor school. 42 kids to some classes, not enough desks, couldn't bring the literally falling-apart history books home because we only had one classroom set of really old ones. Did full IB and went to Caltech and then got a PhD, myself. Another friend/classmate is an astrophysics prof now, and another runs social interventions to prevent gang violence for the city, and another is a DJ at our local music station, another's a veterinarian, people went to Princeton MIT Cornell and fine community colleges, blah blah blah. The people I just listed are men & women, black white Asian, from immigrant and non-immigrant parents. There were definitely racial and socioeconomic biases baked into my high school, but despite being poor we have produced a great community and great people. High quality education can be provided even to poor kids, and it makes a difference. Public schools can make a difference. Teaching yourself English from YouTube works for some, but it's not the norm. Education matters.
- asdfasdf1212 6y ago
  > Teaching yourself English from YouTube works for some, but it's not the norm. Education matters. I've really come to hate the term education. It's so.. convoluted. Subjective. Self serving. Masturbatory in nature. The worst is when someone claims to be educated. As if it's a binary. "I've endured the rituals of learning therefore my state is enlightened". To my original point, every single person you listed probably has an involved parent. I say that because many people think education is a function of dollars spent, and that's just not reality. You'll probably disagree with me - so let's look up the parental situation of everyone you just listed. Equating learning with online resources to "youtube" is peak boomer mentality lol

searchableguy 6y ago

I agree. Source - hopped around 6 poor schools

kaitai 6y ago

I went to a poor school. 42 kids to some classes, not enough desks, couldn't bring the literally falling-apart history books home because we only had one classroom set of really old ones. Did full IB and went to Caltech and then got a PhD, myself. Another friend/classmate is an astrophysics prof now, and another runs social interventions to prevent gang violence for the city, and another is a DJ at our local music station, another's a veterinarian, people went to Princeton MIT Cornell and fine community colleges, blah blah blah. The people I just listed are men & women, black white Asian, from immigrant and non-immigrant parents. There were definitely racial and socioeconomic biases baked into my high school, but despite being poor we have produced a great community and great people. High quality education can be provided even to poor kids, and it makes a difference. Public schools can make a difference. Teaching yourself English from YouTube works for some, but it's not the norm. Education matters.

asdfasdf1212 6y ago
> Teaching yourself English from YouTube works for some, but it's not the norm. Education matters. I've really come to hate the term education. It's so.. convoluted. Subjective. Self serving. Masturbatory in nature. The worst is when someone claims to be educated. As if it's a binary. "I've endured the rituals of learning therefore my state is enlightened". To my original point, every single person you listed probably has an involved parent. I say that because many people think education is a function of dollars spent, and that's just not reality. You'll probably disagree with me - so let's look up the parental situation of everyone you just listed. Equating learning with online resources to "youtube" is peak boomer mentality lol