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Voter ID laws are often used to disenfranchise poorer voters by creating bureaucracy mazes or DMV-like conditions to stop voters from acquiring the necessary cr
by idontwantit 6y ago
Voter ID laws are often used to disenfranchise poorer voters by creating bureaucracy mazes or DMV-like conditions to stop voters from acquiring the necessary credentials.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/chal...
Anecdotally, as someone who was living in poverty before I got into this line of work, I did not have a state-issued ID and did not have time to waste or even the inclination to get one (my state does not have voter id laws).
Sure many will go out of their way in order to acquire credentials, but much like email scams, the value of voter suppression is in the marginal success.
Lastly, the amount of real voter fraud (well below 10% last I checked) seems minimal vs the amount of people who don't have credentials (about 10% according to the above).
I will leave you with this quote:
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
Isn't that the meaning of "justice"?
- 9HZZRfNlpR 6y agoThe whole world besides Anglo countries is using photo ID to vote. The article basically says people don't have a way to get it in 10 mile radius which is ridiculous. You really think you get ID in Germany everywhere in 10 mile radius? No, you take a bus to nearest city that offers these services.
- idontwantit 6y agoI think your objections are already addressed by the comment
- Cerium 6y agoWhole world? Seems that there are plenty of locations that simply mark your thumb to vote, no ID needed. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ink
- 9HZZRfNlpR 6y agoI thought it's obvious on the context of America we talk about countries that well developed.
- giantg2 6y agoUnless we are also cutting off hands for felonies, I don't think this will provide the same level of utility here.
- kosievdmerwe 6y agoFalse, in South Africa you have to pre-register to vote at a precinct with a photo ID, then on election day you have to show your photo ID to vote at the place you pre-registered for. After you've voted they mark your thumb with the ink as a secondary (or tertiary) security measure. I'm honestly not going to check every country on the list, but it's blatantly false in South Africa where I've voted before. And I'm going to bet it's false for a lot of other countries on that list too, like India.
- FreakyT 6y agoWhat you're forgetting is that Germany actually has functioning public transit, while the US doesn't. If you don't have a car, you're out of luck if the DMV is 10 miles away.
- giantg2 6y agoI'm genuinely curious. How did you handle identifying yourself to the police? Also, was this when you could still get a greyhound bus ticket without photo ID? Where you ever asked for ID when cashing or writing a check? It seems like ID is required for EVERYTHING these days, so I'm interested in some of these points.
- idontwantit 6y ago> How did you handle identifying yourself to the police? I never had the opportunity to find out > Also, was this when you could still get a greyhound bus ticket without photo ID? No clue > Where you ever asked for ID when cashing or writing a check? I don't really remember, didn't have much opportunity to cash checks anyway
- giantg2 6y agoI guess you couldn't buy tobacco or alcohol either?