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there is no evidence for that whatsoever. You have absolutely no data on what takes place in India - it is a gigantic country with gigantic variation across. Pl

there is no evidence for that whatsoever. You have absolutely no data on what takes place in India - it is a gigantic country with gigantic variation across. Plus the families are much larger, all confined together. When the train was shut down millions traveled back home for days on packed buses, it unlikely that any lockdown could have had such a pronounced effect so quickly. The truth probably lies elsewhere, perhaps the population is overall a lot less susceptible, perhaps the genetics is such that adverse reactions are far less common, perhaps the weather conditions make the virus less virulent etc. There is no way in hell that India was more locked down than Spain - yet Spain, with a population that is of a tiny fraction of India is still producing many more cases per day even today, more than a month after a full lockdown. If anything Spain compared to say Sweden shows that brutal lockdowns don't work, the disease would have taken the same course had there been much less strict measures.

sharadov 6y ago
Hospitals are not overwhelmed, people not dying in droves. There may be genetic immunity, with people already exposed to a lot more viruses, less obesity, and comorbid conditions. Also there may be different strains of the virus at work. But we are comparing the lockdown measures here and there, and the anti-science Trumpards who think it's a conspiracy, and protesting. Individual states ( CA ) are doing a great job, Southern states with their nincompoop governors and people, not so much. Btw, Sweden is paying the price for having a laissez-faire attitude to it.
- jaywalk 6y ago
  Do you think speaking the way you do is actually helpful or positively contributes to the conversation?
  - sharadov 6y ago
    What I really think is your inability to follow and parse a conversation.
  - trianglem 6y ago
    I found it productive.
    - sharadov 6y ago
      Thank you!
    - jaywalk 6y ago
      What exactly is productive about using terms like "Trumptards?"
Lewton 6y ago
If Spain had taken strict lockdown measures before the virus took hold they would not be in the mess that they are in now. Compare Denmark to Sweden and it gets pretty obvious that early lockdowns have an effect
zkmon 6y ago
They simply don't test and don't count. There is a strong incentive to show low numbers at state level. They conduct covid test on everyone who come to hospital for any reason, but not anyone outside hospital.
pkphilip 6y ago
There are serious issues with the numbers coming out of India. For instance, some states which share huge borders with other states are showing far less numbers than the states they share the borders with even though these states didn't really implement movement restrictions at the border.
lurquer 6y ago
India has some of the densest urban environments on the planet... Mumbai, Calcutta, Howraw, etc. And, it has pockets of density that are mind-boggling, such as the slums at Dharavi. 9 to 10 people in a room, families taking 'shifts' in the same living areas, 100+ people per latrine in some parts. Yet, absent a massive cover-up, no reports of mass deaths. The same goes for many of the world's other dense cities: Manila, Caloocan, Port-au-Prince, Kathmandu, Subang Jaya, Tokyo (not to mention the dozen or so 10mill+ cities in China.) When this is mentioned, the response is invariably that "they have an amazing lockdown system with state-of-the art contact tracing." Or, "well, THOSE people are very submissive and obedient to authority." It's not believable. What does it even mean to "lock-down" Dharavi?! That's absurd... Millions of deaths were predicted. There aren't millions of deaths. Great. The lethality of the virus was grossly over-estimated. Yet, instead of happily acknowledging this, there are some bending over backwards trying to maintain that the Virus magically avoids places like Dharavi (or homeless camps in LA, or San Fran, or the elderly-populated Florida) because of government pronouncements. I don't live in Dharavi. I've been there. And, I know there are plenty of people from India on this site. Maybe I'm wrong, but I cannot wrap my head around ANY lockdown policy that would make a rat's ass worth of a difference to virus spread in Dharavi. Ditto for Mexico City, the slums in Monterrey, Lagos, and the urban/slum sprawl in the metro areas of S. America.
- lurquer 6y ago
  Edit: "I don't live in Dharavi. I've never been there."
- glofish 6y ago
  this is the elephant in the room, it is not fashionable to talk about, it does not fit the current narrative - the scientific "group think" when it comes to the virus is incredibly strong
- sharadov 6y ago
  People there have been exposed to more viruses and in India specifically - BCG vaccine which protects against Tuberculosis. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/nations-that-mandate-tb-vaccine-may-have-lower-covid-death-rates/story-73iR73VtrWeIqKINhfxkeP.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/nations-that-manda... Yes, am with you that expected numbers were blown out of proportion, but in a way that was needed to, because governments are complacent and people more so.

sharadov 6y ago

Hospitals are not overwhelmed, people not dying in droves. There may be genetic immunity, with people already exposed to a lot more viruses, less obesity, and comorbid conditions. Also there may be different strains of the virus at work. But we are comparing the lockdown measures here and there, and the anti-science Trumpards who think it's a conspiracy, and protesting. Individual states ( CA ) are doing a great job, Southern states with their nincompoop governors and people, not so much. Btw, Sweden is paying the price for having a laissez-faire attitude to it.

jaywalk 6y ago
Do you think speaking the way you do is actually helpful or positively contributes to the conversation?
- sharadov 6y ago
  What I really think is your inability to follow and parse a conversation.
- trianglem 6y ago
  I found it productive.
  - sharadov 6y ago
    Thank you!
  - jaywalk 6y ago
    What exactly is productive about using terms like "Trumptards?"

Lewton 6y ago

If Spain had taken strict lockdown measures before the virus took hold they would not be in the mess that they are in now. Compare Denmark to Sweden and it gets pretty obvious that early lockdowns have an effect

zkmon 6y ago

They simply don't test and don't count. There is a strong incentive to show low numbers at state level. They conduct covid test on everyone who come to hospital for any reason, but not anyone outside hospital.

pkphilip 6y ago

There are serious issues with the numbers coming out of India. For instance, some states which share huge borders with other states are showing far less numbers than the states they share the borders with even though these states didn't really implement movement restrictions at the border.

lurquer 6y ago

India has some of the densest urban environments on the planet... Mumbai, Calcutta, Howraw, etc. And, it has pockets of density that are mind-boggling, such as the slums at Dharavi. 9 to 10 people in a room, families taking 'shifts' in the same living areas, 100+ people per latrine in some parts. Yet, absent a massive cover-up, no reports of mass deaths. The same goes for many of the world's other dense cities: Manila, Caloocan, Port-au-Prince, Kathmandu, Subang Jaya, Tokyo (not to mention the dozen or so 10mill+ cities in China.) When this is mentioned, the response is invariably that "they have an amazing lockdown system with state-of-the art contact tracing." Or, "well, THOSE people are very submissive and obedient to authority." It's not believable. What does it even mean to "lock-down" Dharavi?! That's absurd... Millions of deaths were predicted. There aren't millions of deaths. Great. The lethality of the virus was grossly over-estimated. Yet, instead of happily acknowledging this, there are some bending over backwards trying to maintain that the Virus magically avoids places like Dharavi (or homeless camps in LA, or San Fran, or the elderly-populated Florida) because of government pronouncements. I don't live in Dharavi. I've been there. And, I know there are plenty of people from India on this site. Maybe I'm wrong, but I cannot wrap my head around ANY lockdown policy that would make a rat's ass worth of a difference to virus spread in Dharavi. Ditto for Mexico City, the slums in Monterrey, Lagos, and the urban/slum sprawl in the metro areas of S. America.

lurquer 6y ago
Edit: "I don't live in Dharavi. I've never been there."
glofish 6y ago
this is the elephant in the room, it is not fashionable to talk about, it does not fit the current narrative - the scientific "group think" when it comes to the virus is incredibly strong
sharadov 6y ago
People there have been exposed to more viruses and in India specifically - BCG vaccine which protects against Tuberculosis. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/nations-that-mandate-tb-vaccine-may-have-lower-covid-death-rates/story-73iR73VtrWeIqKINhfxkeP.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/nations-that-manda... Yes, am with you that expected numbers were blown out of proportion, but in a way that was needed to, because governments are complacent and people more so.