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>Everything on the news looks ironic I was born and grew up in Scotland. I remember the first time I watched Fox News after moving to the states - for almost f

>Everything on the news looks ironic I was born and grew up in Scotland. I remember the first time I watched Fox News after moving to the states - for almost fifteen minutes I genuinely thought I was watching some (honestly pretty funny) satire.

jagged-chisel 7y ago
You were. Satire marketed as news.
- mschuster91 7y ago
  Satire, by definition, aims at the top of the societal ladder. Fox News, Russian state media, "alternative news" blogs? They aim at the very bottom of the societal ladder (i.e. immigrants, Muslims, poor people) instead. That's not satire, that is inciting hatred.
- kyleblarson 7y ago
  As if CNN, MSNBC are any different.
  - hithereagain 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  - triceratops 7y ago
    r/enlightenedcentrism
searchableguy 7y ago
Wait till you watch Indian news. Fox news will look serious next to it.
- munk-a 7y ago
  I was quite confused on my first read as I've always really trusted Indian Country Today[1] even though it's a much much more specialized news source. 1. https://indiancountrytoday.com/ https://indiancountrytoday.com/
justaguyhere 7y ago
Same here - Fox news is on a whole new level. It is like the onion, except it stops being funny after about 30 seconds. Also wasn't this the same channel that argued that they are allowed to present false news (or something similar)?
bargl 7y ago
I get really frustrated when people only mention Fox News and not CNN/MSNBC in the same sentence. There are people on Fox who are good, I.E. Chris Wallace. I mean he's my only example, but Jon Stewart did a skit with him and the quote that got me was, "how many times have you seen your show on my show?" It was a nod to the fact that Chris Wallace does actual news not opinion pieces. I'd actually say he's better and less opinionated than Don Lemon (CNN). This is not me defending FOX. It's more of me railing against other forms of news that I also don't like but sometimes get a presumed pass. I see them as the opposite side of the coin. EDIT: I know this is going to get down-voted. But if you disagree I'd really like to know why. I am someone who listens to others, and am curious why you disagree with this sentiment.
- untog 7y ago
  > But if you disagree I'd really like to know why. I'll take a stab at it. I agree with you that Fox actually does have some decent news output at various points in the day (dearly departed Shep...), but I simply don't think that CNN has any equivalent to the Fox opinion programming. MSNBC comes closer but it still doesn't have hosts spouting outright disinformation on a regular basis.
  - bargl 7y ago
    Who do you like on CNN? Any specific shows you like over there? I named Don Lemon, but I also really dislike a lot of what Anderson Cooper talks about. Shep was awful. What alternate news sources do you like to go to for unbiased news? What forms of disinformation have you found? And I'd like to classify disinformation as a situation you feel they are being purposeful about misinformation. I believe we're both going from the same definition but it's always good to be clear upfront.
    - alasdair_ 7y ago
      > What forms of disinformation have you found? One example is the remarkably-common “mistake” of putting a “(D)” after the name of an obscure congressman or senator caught committing some crime or other, when the person in question was a Republican. Or the recent coronavirus coverage e.g. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/490776-74-journalism-professors-accuse-fox-news-owners-of-spreading-coronavirus%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/4907...
asdff 7y ago
Fox News is classified as entertainment in Canada, rather than a news agency.
- artificial 7y ago
  All the big stations are news entertainment state side, mega editorializing everywhere.
jillesvangurp 7y ago
Ah there's nothing better than waking up early in some US hotel and watching stupid tv shows at stupid o'clock. I distinctly recall realizing that I had been watching some insanely offensively stupid advertorial for hunting rifles interrupted by advertisements for erectile dysfunction pills every few minutes for the last 20 minutes or so at some point and reflecting on why the hell I was actually watching that. In my defense, I was pretty jet lagged. Later landed in some morning TV show that was clearly targeting early risers even more tired than me looking to get a head start on rush hour. In any case, I stopped watching broadcast TV a decade ago; especially news shows. The signal to noise ratio is just unacceptable to my brain these days. I get more information out of a 5 second glance at my news feed in the morning and magnitudes more information by doing that for a bit longer. They really dumb down everything on tv until even the most retarded vegetable still watching can grasp the basics and that apparently takes ages and endless repeating of things in 3 word sentences. People with a functioning brain stopped being part of the target audience ages ago. In all fairness, people complaining about how retarded the news is is nothing new and was a popular pass time in 16th & 17th century British press as well as in Roman times even. People, like me, complaining about the quality of reporting is as old as the concept of publishing information in pretty much any form. Information is power and manipulating the masses through any of the channels information spreads is part of the game. And knowing that is the game has been the way to move up in society for just as long.

jagged-chisel 7y ago

You were. Satire marketed as news.

mschuster91 7y ago
Satire, by definition, aims at the top of the societal ladder. Fox News, Russian state media, "alternative news" blogs? They aim at the very bottom of the societal ladder (i.e. immigrants, Muslims, poor people) instead. That's not satire, that is inciting hatred.
kyleblarson 7y ago
As if CNN, MSNBC are any different.
- hithereagain 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- triceratops 7y ago
  r/enlightenedcentrism

searchableguy 7y ago

Wait till you watch Indian news. Fox news will look serious next to it.

munk-a 7y ago
I was quite confused on my first read as I've always really trusted Indian Country Today[1] even though it's a much much more specialized news source. 1. https://indiancountrytoday.com/ https://indiancountrytoday.com/

justaguyhere 7y ago

Same here - Fox news is on a whole new level. It is like the onion, except it stops being funny after about 30 seconds. Also wasn't this the same channel that argued that they are allowed to present false news (or something similar)?

bargl 7y ago

I get really frustrated when people only mention Fox News and not CNN/MSNBC in the same sentence. There are people on Fox who are good, I.E. Chris Wallace. I mean he's my only example, but Jon Stewart did a skit with him and the quote that got me was, "how many times have you seen your show on my show?" It was a nod to the fact that Chris Wallace does actual news not opinion pieces. I'd actually say he's better and less opinionated than Don Lemon (CNN). This is not me defending FOX. It's more of me railing against other forms of news that I also don't like but sometimes get a presumed pass. I see them as the opposite side of the coin. EDIT: I know this is going to get down-voted. But if you disagree I'd really like to know why. I am someone who listens to others, and am curious why you disagree with this sentiment.

untog 7y ago
> But if you disagree I'd really like to know why. I'll take a stab at it. I agree with you that Fox actually does have some decent news output at various points in the day (dearly departed Shep...), but I simply don't think that CNN has any equivalent to the Fox opinion programming. MSNBC comes closer but it still doesn't have hosts spouting outright disinformation on a regular basis.
- bargl 7y ago
  Who do you like on CNN? Any specific shows you like over there? I named Don Lemon, but I also really dislike a lot of what Anderson Cooper talks about. Shep was awful. What alternate news sources do you like to go to for unbiased news? What forms of disinformation have you found? And I'd like to classify disinformation as a situation you feel they are being purposeful about misinformation. I believe we're both going from the same definition but it's always good to be clear upfront.
  - alasdair_ 7y ago
    > What forms of disinformation have you found? One example is the remarkably-common “mistake” of putting a “(D)” after the name of an obscure congressman or senator caught committing some crime or other, when the person in question was a Republican. Or the recent coronavirus coverage e.g. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/490776-74-journalism-professors-accuse-fox-news-owners-of-spreading-coronavirus%3famp https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/4907...

asdff 7y ago

Fox News is classified as entertainment in Canada, rather than a news agency.

artificial 7y ago
All the big stations are news entertainment state side, mega editorializing everywhere.

jillesvangurp 7y ago

Ah there's nothing better than waking up early in some US hotel and watching stupid tv shows at stupid o'clock. I distinctly recall realizing that I had been watching some insanely offensively stupid advertorial for hunting rifles interrupted by advertisements for erectile dysfunction pills every few minutes for the last 20 minutes or so at some point and reflecting on why the hell I was actually watching that. In my defense, I was pretty jet lagged. Later landed in some morning TV show that was clearly targeting early risers even more tired than me looking to get a head start on rush hour. In any case, I stopped watching broadcast TV a decade ago; especially news shows. The signal to noise ratio is just unacceptable to my brain these days. I get more information out of a 5 second glance at my news feed in the morning and magnitudes more information by doing that for a bit longer. They really dumb down everything on tv until even the most retarded vegetable still watching can grasp the basics and that apparently takes ages and endless repeating of things in 3 word sentences. People with a functioning brain stopped being part of the target audience ages ago. In all fairness, people complaining about how retarded the news is is nothing new and was a popular pass time in 16th & 17th century British press as well as in Roman times even. People, like me, complaining about the quality of reporting is as old as the concept of publishing information in pretty much any form. Information is power and manipulating the masses through any of the channels information spreads is part of the game. And knowing that is the game has been the way to move up in society for just as long.