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I find that "infinite as an endless process" concept intuitively very heplful as well. However, reading Gödel, Escher, Bach[1] showed me that there's another, m
by TuringTest 6y ago
I find that "infinite as an endless process" concept intuitively very heplful as well. However, reading Gödel, Escher, Bach[1] showed me that there's another, more static logical interpretation of infinity which also comes handy.
In an infinite process, you can always take "one more step" to create the item after that. Let's assume there exists a "final" mathematical object that goes after every finite item in the generation process (i.e. it is higher than any item in the list, or smaller, or has happened after all of them)... This object doesn't really belong to the infinite generative sequence, it's an item outside all of them, and can't be reached by completing the sequence; it merely exist outside the process and happens to have the property of "dominating" all the items in it.
You can assume the existence in the same way you assume the existence of a number which is the square root of -1, or how you define triangles whose angles add up to more or less than 180 degrees. If you do that, this object "at the infinite" can be formally defined and treated axiomatically to find out what mathematical properties it possesses.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach
- Gehinnn 6y agoThis thought can be made much more concrete when talking about sets. Clearly we can understand a collection of things as a set. Clearly numbers are things, so we can talk about the set of all numbers. But how many elements are in this set? A clever answer could be: It has as many elements as there are natural numbers! As subsets are also a thing, we could ask next how many subsets the set of all numbers has. A clever, but very problematic answer could be "as many as there are natural numbers!"
- empath75 6y agoThat’s actually not true, the power set of the naturals is uncountable.
- Gehinnn 6y agoAs I said, it would be a very problematic answer. But only if you properly define when two non-finite sets have the same size, you can lead this to a contradiction. Infinity can be understood intuitively, extending it to the cardinal numbers not.