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India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't t

India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't take a walk, you can't drive farther than 3 KM, cops will kick your butt and impound your vehicle. And the population by and large listens, while we have morons here who want lockdown eased to get haircuts.

sameerds 7y ago
Heh, families in India have started doing haircuts at home. Some people get it right, and some people don't ... it's not even funny anymore.
- sharadov 7y ago
  I could have been the moron standing with a placard demanding a haircut, but I took the simpler route by buzzing my hair with a clipper :-)
sandworm101 7y ago
I'm in Canada (west coast). No restrictions on driving. People are still taveling to their cabins on the weekend. They get yelled at by other people but are not breaking any laws. My neighourhood is full of elderly people walking their dogs. Bicylists are everywhere. Restaurants never stopped doing takeout. But we cannot get haircuts. Cops have stopped speed enforcement in my area, at least the dedicated speed traps.
- standardUser 7y ago
  The speeding has been happening all over the US too and it makes me sick. These people should be fined into oblivion, cars impounded, licenses revoked. Now is not the time to be creating extra problems for society.
  - toast0 7y ago
    As always, it depends on the circumstances. If you're doing 15-20 mph over the limit on a highway with very little traffic in the daytime and good weather? That's probably appropriate speed for the conditions. If you're doing double the limit, or freeway speeds through neighborhoods, that's probably dangerous.
  - core-questions 7y ago
    Typical city dwelling urbanite bugman attitude. There's never been a time when people weren't speeding at every chance, and there's never been a safer time to do it. Pretty sure if you continue to hide in your apartment you'll be safe from the bad people who are driving faster than the 1950s norm. LICENSES REVOKED, he says, SHOULD NEVER DRIVE AGAIN. You sound like an old church lady waving an umbrella.
    - standardUser 7y ago
      If a person can't restrain themself from driving over 100mph, they don't have the temperament to drive on public roads. They're just a sociopathic child with twisted priorities and no self control. What I find especially strange is how these people think they are somehow special and exempt from the law. They are not special, no matter how fast their vroom vroom machine can go.
      - sandworm101 7y ago
        >> If a person can't restrain themself from driving over 100mph That isn't speed. In my neck of the woods that will be called street racing. License revoked. Car impounded. Probably criminal charges. "Speeding" is doing 60 in a 50, 60 in a 30 because the "construction zone" stopped all activity a month ago but forgot to take down the signs. Or it is doing 32 in a 30 school zone ... when no student has attended a school in months. 100 is a different league.
      - core-questions 7y ago
        100 mph is 160 kph. Yes, you lose your license for that most places. That's not "speeding", it's street racing. Which is also fun, but I won't defend it, as I've restrained myself from doing so for quite a long time now. Stupid kids are going to do what they're going to do, though, and the threat of losing their license probably won't make much difference.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  I'm in Western Canada, too. Seeing the same thing here. Cases keep dropping, regardless. I suspect a late cold snap and some snow a month ago, followed by a lot of rains in the last couple weeks, have also helped. Calgary is having trouble -- that's where most of the cases are in AB -- but case load across AB and Western provinces is stable and below projections. edit: cases in the province, via the CBC: Calgary zone: 3,366 South zone: 685 Edmonton zone: 486 North zone: 202 Central zone: 84 Unknown: 27 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-19-deena-hinshaw-chief-medical-officer-health-coronavirus-1.5547845 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-19-deena-hinsh...
glofish 7y ago
there is no evidence for that whatsoever. You have absolutely no data on what takes place in India - it is a gigantic country with gigantic variation across. Plus the families are much larger, all confined together. When the train was shut down millions traveled back home for days on packed buses, it unlikely that any lockdown could have had such a pronounced effect so quickly. The truth probably lies elsewhere, perhaps the population is overall a lot less susceptible, perhaps the genetics is such that adverse reactions are far less common, perhaps the weather conditions make the virus less virulent etc. There is no way in hell that India was more locked down than Spain - yet Spain, with a population that is of a tiny fraction of India is still producing many more cases per day even today, more than a month after a full lockdown. If anything Spain compared to say Sweden shows that brutal lockdowns don't work, the disease would have taken the same course had there been much less strict measures.
- sharadov 7y ago
  Hospitals are not overwhelmed, people not dying in droves. There may be genetic immunity, with people already exposed to a lot more viruses, less obesity, and comorbid conditions. Also there may be different strains of the virus at work. But we are comparing the lockdown measures here and there, and the anti-science Trumpards who think it's a conspiracy, and protesting. Individual states ( CA ) are doing a great job, Southern states with their nincompoop governors and people, not so much. Btw, Sweden is paying the price for having a laissez-faire attitude to it.
  - jaywalk 7y ago
    Do you think speaking the way you do is actually helpful or positively contributes to the conversation?
    - sharadov 7y ago
      What I really think is your inability to follow and parse a conversation.
    - trianglem 7y ago
billfruit 7y ago
People are largely forced to comply to the lockdown because police are often resorting to using of indiscriminate force, which isn't becoming in any modern country. Serious lack of empathy from the Police and Governments in India.
- moh_maya 7y ago
  India has one of the lowest police officers to population ratio in the world, with 144 policemen to 100,000 citizens [1].Significanty, large majority of the policemen do not even carry guns or even tasers. The public trust of the police is also fairly low. People are staying in and following the curfew because thanks to a robust media ecosystem and insane connectivity facilitated by cheap data plans and accessible smart phones, most folks are aware of the severity of the challenge confronting the country. There are significant issues, especially with testing and the plight of the unorganised migrant labour, with how this is playing out, many due to simply the massive scale and relatively poor Indian state capacity, as well as some political football from all players involved. Nonetheless, a large reason why people are "complying" with the lockdown is (IMO) because of a lot of awareness and a high degree of social responsibility. It is difficult to imagine how the microscopic "blue line", or khakhi line, in India, as it were, could "force compliance" in this situation if the society at large did not accept that it was required. This argument that the large majority of the population is complying due to fear of the police or authorities is (IMO) a disservice to the maturity demonstrated by the Indian society. I can only hope the Indian govt and political class can step up to the plate and manage the exit and restart of the economy with the same maturity and sagacity. [1] https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-s-police-force-among-the-world-s-weakest-1560925355383.html https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-s-police-force-amo... Edit: added link and clarified 2 sentences to improve readability
- rramadass 7y ago
  The level of ignorance exhibited here is breathtaking!

sameerds 7y ago

Heh, families in India have started doing haircuts at home. Some people get it right, and some people don't ... it's not even funny anymore.

sharadov 7y ago
I could have been the moron standing with a placard demanding a haircut, but I took the simpler route by buzzing my hair with a clipper :-)

sandworm101 7y ago

I'm in Canada (west coast). No restrictions on driving. People are still taveling to their cabins on the weekend. They get yelled at by other people but are not breaking any laws. My neighourhood is full of elderly people walking their dogs. Bicylists are everywhere. Restaurants never stopped doing takeout. But we cannot get haircuts. Cops have stopped speed enforcement in my area, at least the dedicated speed traps.

standardUser 7y ago
The speeding has been happening all over the US too and it makes me sick. These people should be fined into oblivion, cars impounded, licenses revoked. Now is not the time to be creating extra problems for society.
- toast0 7y ago
  As always, it depends on the circumstances. If you're doing 15-20 mph over the limit on a highway with very little traffic in the daytime and good weather? That's probably appropriate speed for the conditions. If you're doing double the limit, or freeway speeds through neighborhoods, that's probably dangerous.
- core-questions 7y ago
  Typical city dwelling urbanite bugman attitude. There's never been a time when people weren't speeding at every chance, and there's never been a safer time to do it. Pretty sure if you continue to hide in your apartment you'll be safe from the bad people who are driving faster than the 1950s norm. LICENSES REVOKED, he says, SHOULD NEVER DRIVE AGAIN. You sound like an old church lady waving an umbrella.
  - standardUser 7y ago
    If a person can't restrain themself from driving over 100mph, they don't have the temperament to drive on public roads. They're just a sociopathic child with twisted priorities and no self control. What I find especially strange is how these people think they are somehow special and exempt from the law. They are not special, no matter how fast their vroom vroom machine can go.
    - sandworm101 7y ago
      >> If a person can't restrain themself from driving over 100mph That isn't speed. In my neck of the woods that will be called street racing. License revoked. Car impounded. Probably criminal charges. "Speeding" is doing 60 in a 50, 60 in a 30 because the "construction zone" stopped all activity a month ago but forgot to take down the signs. Or it is doing 32 in a 30 school zone ... when no student has attended a school in months. 100 is a different league.
    - core-questions 7y ago
      100 mph is 160 kph. Yes, you lose your license for that most places. That's not "speeding", it's street racing. Which is also fun, but I won't defend it, as I've restrained myself from doing so for quite a long time now. Stupid kids are going to do what they're going to do, though, and the threat of losing their license probably won't make much difference.
blaser-waffle 6y ago
I'm in Western Canada, too. Seeing the same thing here. Cases keep dropping, regardless. I suspect a late cold snap and some snow a month ago, followed by a lot of rains in the last couple weeks, have also helped. Calgary is having trouble -- that's where most of the cases are in AB -- but case load across AB and Western provinces is stable and below projections. edit: cases in the province, via the CBC: Calgary zone: 3,366 South zone: 685 Edmonton zone: 486 North zone: 202 Central zone: 84 Unknown: 27 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-19-deena-hinshaw-chief-medical-officer-health-coronavirus-1.5547845 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-19-deena-hinsh...

glofish 7y ago

there is no evidence for that whatsoever. You have absolutely no data on what takes place in India - it is a gigantic country with gigantic variation across. Plus the families are much larger, all confined together. When the train was shut down millions traveled back home for days on packed buses, it unlikely that any lockdown could have had such a pronounced effect so quickly. The truth probably lies elsewhere, perhaps the population is overall a lot less susceptible, perhaps the genetics is such that adverse reactions are far less common, perhaps the weather conditions make the virus less virulent etc. There is no way in hell that India was more locked down than Spain - yet Spain, with a population that is of a tiny fraction of India is still producing many more cases per day even today, more than a month after a full lockdown. If anything Spain compared to say Sweden shows that brutal lockdowns don't work, the disease would have taken the same course had there been much less strict measures.

sharadov 7y ago
Hospitals are not overwhelmed, people not dying in droves. There may be genetic immunity, with people already exposed to a lot more viruses, less obesity, and comorbid conditions. Also there may be different strains of the virus at work. But we are comparing the lockdown measures here and there, and the anti-science Trumpards who think it's a conspiracy, and protesting. Individual states ( CA ) are doing a great job, Southern states with their nincompoop governors and people, not so much. Btw, Sweden is paying the price for having a laissez-faire attitude to it.
- jaywalk 7y ago
  Do you think speaking the way you do is actually helpful or positively contributes to the conversation?
  - sharadov 7y ago
    What I really think is your inability to follow and parse a conversation.
  - trianglem 7y ago

billfruit 7y ago

People are largely forced to comply to the lockdown because police are often resorting to using of indiscriminate force, which isn't becoming in any modern country. Serious lack of empathy from the Police and Governments in India.

moh_maya 7y ago
India has one of the lowest police officers to population ratio in the world, with 144 policemen to 100,000 citizens [1].Significanty, large majority of the policemen do not even carry guns or even tasers. The public trust of the police is also fairly low. People are staying in and following the curfew because thanks to a robust media ecosystem and insane connectivity facilitated by cheap data plans and accessible smart phones, most folks are aware of the severity of the challenge confronting the country. There are significant issues, especially with testing and the plight of the unorganised migrant labour, with how this is playing out, many due to simply the massive scale and relatively poor Indian state capacity, as well as some political football from all players involved. Nonetheless, a large reason why people are "complying" with the lockdown is (IMO) because of a lot of awareness and a high degree of social responsibility. It is difficult to imagine how the microscopic "blue line", or khakhi line, in India, as it were, could "force compliance" in this situation if the society at large did not accept that it was required. This argument that the large majority of the population is complying due to fear of the police or authorities is (IMO) a disservice to the maturity demonstrated by the Indian society. I can only hope the Indian govt and political class can step up to the plate and manage the exit and restart of the economy with the same maturity and sagacity. [1] https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-s-police-force-among-the-world-s-weakest-1560925355383.html https://www.livemint.com/news/india/india-s-police-force-amo... Edit: added link and clarified 2 sentences to improve readability
rramadass 7y ago
The level of ignorance exhibited here is breathtaking!