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People do change between being 17 and being adults. If you write about your life, knowing you are now a public figure, and leave this huge racist detail out, th

People do change between being 17 and being adults. If you write about your life, knowing you are now a public figure, and leave this huge racist detail out, then the change is not enough. We can't accept both that people change, and it's ok to lie about it to everyone.

sasasassy 6y ago
Why can't you accept that? People change and people can still be afraid that if everyone knew what they did as a teenager they'd be attacked relentlessly. Lying is exactly the correct thing to do when living in an unreasonable world.
- bravoetch 6y ago
  Lying because you're afraid of an unreasonable world... That's your argument? Lying because of fear doesn't make it right. I think we fundamentally disagree on values and maturity levels that adults should aspire to.
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  - Razengan 6y ago
    What if telling the truth could bring harm to your family, who had nothing to do with it, but omitting the truth would harm no one?
- threatofrain 6y ago
  > Lying is exactly the correct thing to do when living in an unreasonable world. I suppose this mindset could be an ingredient for a CEO that wins. But there's a difference between forgiveness and credibility of character, and credibility is part of a CEO's job. What Damien did was drive white supremacists to a synagogue shoot-up, and in the Navy he continued to befriend white supremacists. All these matters affect credibility, and credibility is part of the CEO's job, and hence why Banjo is being distracted right now.
koheripbal 6y ago
Wait... so you expect people to walk around with a giant billboard on their chest reading "I used to be in the KKK"? It's one thing for a person to atone for their mistakes. ...it's another more sinister thing to demand that they apologize to everyone perpetually. I find these demands for public apologies disgusting in their own right. All these social media types demanding that they deserve an apology for someone else's historic transgression. If you think about it - it's really just a power rush you get forcing people to cow to you.
- save_ferris 6y ago
  > It's one thing for a person to atone for their mistakes. It sounds more like he tried covering up his mistakes once he became a public figure, which was his decision. He could’ve acknowledged it during any of his media appearances, which would’ve allowed him to discuss the issue on his own terms instead of letting a devastating article dictate the tone of his past. He chose to hide it instead. There’s nothing wrong with publishing this kind of information, it’s absolutely in the public interest when a CEO of a successful company was involved in white nationalism. Nobody is explicitly demanding an apology, the public just demands to know these things.
- bravoetch 6y ago
  He's been lying. He practically wrote a book about it and lied about that part. You invented the part about forced apologies - I didn't say that.
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    ...and what any of this have to do with you? Why do you think you deserve to be apologized to? ...for a crime you were not a party to. ...at a time you likely weren't even born. Ask yourself what emotional chasm are you trying to fill to get people you've never met to apologize to you.
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    Not writing about a 2? year period that happened 32 years ago isn't lying.

sasasassy 6y ago

Why can't you accept that? People change and people can still be afraid that if everyone knew what they did as a teenager they'd be attacked relentlessly. Lying is exactly the correct thing to do when living in an unreasonable world.

bravoetch 6y ago
Lying because you're afraid of an unreasonable world... That's your argument? Lying because of fear doesn't make it right. I think we fundamentally disagree on values and maturity levels that adults should aspire to.
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- Razengan 6y ago
  What if telling the truth could bring harm to your family, who had nothing to do with it, but omitting the truth would harm no one?
threatofrain 6y ago
> Lying is exactly the correct thing to do when living in an unreasonable world. I suppose this mindset could be an ingredient for a CEO that wins. But there's a difference between forgiveness and credibility of character, and credibility is part of a CEO's job. What Damien did was drive white supremacists to a synagogue shoot-up, and in the Navy he continued to befriend white supremacists. All these matters affect credibility, and credibility is part of the CEO's job, and hence why Banjo is being distracted right now.

koheripbal 6y ago

Wait... so you expect people to walk around with a giant billboard on their chest reading "I used to be in the KKK"? It's one thing for a person to atone for their mistakes. ...it's another more sinister thing to demand that they apologize to everyone perpetually. I find these demands for public apologies disgusting in their own right. All these social media types demanding that they deserve an apology for someone else's historic transgression. If you think about it - it's really just a power rush you get forcing people to cow to you.

save_ferris 6y ago
> It's one thing for a person to atone for their mistakes. It sounds more like he tried covering up his mistakes once he became a public figure, which was his decision. He could’ve acknowledged it during any of his media appearances, which would’ve allowed him to discuss the issue on his own terms instead of letting a devastating article dictate the tone of his past. He chose to hide it instead. There’s nothing wrong with publishing this kind of information, it’s absolutely in the public interest when a CEO of a successful company was involved in white nationalism. Nobody is explicitly demanding an apology, the public just demands to know these things.
bravoetch 6y ago
He's been lying. He practically wrote a book about it and lied about that part. You invented the part about forced apologies - I didn't say that.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  ...and what any of this have to do with you? Why do you think you deserve to be apologized to? ...for a crime you were not a party to. ...at a time you likely weren't even born. Ask yourself what emotional chasm are you trying to fill to get people you've never met to apologize to you.
- rowanG077 6y ago
  Not writing about a 2? year period that happened 32 years ago isn't lying.