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I cannot see the sky from my apartment. So If have to wait until I leave for work or other reasons. I don't remember my parents having this problem with their

I cannot see the sky from my apartment. So If have to wait until I leave for work or other reasons. I don't remember my parents having this problem with their newspaper. They did look at the newspaper before the sky every morning.

stOneskull 6y ago
There'd be substitutes. Maybe just imagine the sky for one minute.
stronglikedan 6y ago
They also didn't carry their newspapers around and constantly read them all day. I know the article proposes looking at the sky before you look at your phone first thing after waking, but the article probably wouldn't have been written if we checked our phones first thing, and then left them home the rest of the day.
goda90 6y ago
How far of a walk to get someplace where you can see the sky? Could you do it in pajamas or would that be socially unacceptable?
shlant 6y ago
> I don't remember my parents having this problem with their newspaper. They did look at the newspaper before the sky every morning. This seems to be a pretty common comparison, especially as a reply to older generations remarking on everyone always being on their phones. Kind of a meme at this point[1][2]. It really makes me think that not a lot of thought/concern is given to the major difference between print media and modern technology/social media: print media is a one-way relationship. There is no interaction between the reader and the newspaper - it's a passive information source. Social media on the other hand is a two-way, highly interactive, highly curated information source/communication tool and that is where the comparison falls flat on it's face. To compare the two in the context of mental health/anti-social behavior/distraction etc. is missing the point. And for anyone interested in some research on the subjects of technology and social media as it related to kids, I will always plug the non-profit I work for: https://www.commonsensemedia.org/research https://www.commonsensemedia.org/research 1. https://memeworld.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Kids+these+days+always+on+their+phones_9a6937_6005297.jpg https://memeworld.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Kids+these+days+alw... 2. https://miro.medium.com/max/1080/1*U36hBj8i-C7JJJxS4MP2HQ.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/1080/1*U36hBj8i-C7JJJxS4MP2HQ.jp...
- svantana 6y ago
  You're not wrong, but it seems to me the "addiction problem" of social media is not so much about the interactivity, but has more to do with the near infinite supply of entertainment.
  - shlant 6y ago
    it's a complicated issue and you're right that the the unending source of dopamine hits from entertainment would certainly play a role - although that's not really unique to social media. I personally think that a bigger factor may be the instant gratification and validation that comes from followers/likes/comments/whatever. I think young kids especially (but certainly not exclusively) crave validation from their peers and social media is a perfect place to turn to for that.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    I was about to say much the same. I deleted my Twitter accounts years ago now, but I still find myself reading the tweets of Charlie Stross, amongst others, multiple times per day. I have no mouth, yet I must stream.
- oaiey 6y ago
  Especially considering, that the printed old-fashioned Newspaper (at least if you select the right one!!!) has a professional writers and a more calm perspective on the world than social media and everything what we consume as media nowadays.
  - JacobDotVI 6y ago
    Historically old-fashioned newspapers haven't had a calm perspective. Their headlines were the original clickbait. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
    - oaiey 6y ago
      I should replace calm with slowier.
def8cefe 6y ago
You have to step outside to grab the paper.
Angostura 6y ago
They had their newspaper delivered to their bedside table, so that it was the first thing they saw each morning?
munificent 6y ago
The key difference is that you could finish the newspaper. Imagine how different Instagram would if after ten minutes of scrolling you reached a point where it said "That's it. No more photos until tomorrow!" (You may remember that Facebook used to work that way with their chronological feed. As soon as you saw a familiar post, you knew you were done. There's a reason they killed that feature.)
- LynxInLA 6y ago
  Isn't that what happens with Instagram? It says "you've caught up" on my phone when I reach photos I've already seen.

stOneskull 6y ago

There'd be substitutes. Maybe just imagine the sky for one minute.

stronglikedan 6y ago

They also didn't carry their newspapers around and constantly read them all day. I know the article proposes looking at the sky before you look at your phone first thing after waking, but the article probably wouldn't have been written if we checked our phones first thing, and then left them home the rest of the day.

goda90 6y ago

How far of a walk to get someplace where you can see the sky? Could you do it in pajamas or would that be socially unacceptable?

shlant 6y ago

> I don't remember my parents having this problem with their newspaper. They did look at the newspaper before the sky every morning. This seems to be a pretty common comparison, especially as a reply to older generations remarking on everyone always being on their phones. Kind of a meme at this point[1][2]. It really makes me think that not a lot of thought/concern is given to the major difference between print media and modern technology/social media: print media is a one-way relationship. There is no interaction between the reader and the newspaper - it's a passive information source. Social media on the other hand is a two-way, highly interactive, highly curated information source/communication tool and that is where the comparison falls flat on it's face. To compare the two in the context of mental health/anti-social behavior/distraction etc. is missing the point. And for anyone interested in some research on the subjects of technology and social media as it related to kids, I will always plug the non-profit I work for: https://www.commonsensemedia.org/research https://www.commonsensemedia.org/research 1. https://memeworld.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Kids+these+days+always+on+their+phones_9a6937_6005297.jpg https://memeworld.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Kids+these+days+alw... 2. https://miro.medium.com/max/1080/1*U36hBj8i-C7JJJxS4MP2HQ.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/1080/1*U36hBj8i-C7JJJxS4MP2HQ.jp...

svantana 6y ago
You're not wrong, but it seems to me the "addiction problem" of social media is not so much about the interactivity, but has more to do with the near infinite supply of entertainment.
- shlant 6y ago
  it's a complicated issue and you're right that the the unending source of dopamine hits from entertainment would certainly play a role - although that's not really unique to social media. I personally think that a bigger factor may be the instant gratification and validation that comes from followers/likes/comments/whatever. I think young kids especially (but certainly not exclusively) crave validation from their peers and social media is a perfect place to turn to for that.
- ben_w 6y ago
  I was about to say much the same. I deleted my Twitter accounts years ago now, but I still find myself reading the tweets of Charlie Stross, amongst others, multiple times per day. I have no mouth, yet I must stream.
oaiey 6y ago
Especially considering, that the printed old-fashioned Newspaper (at least if you select the right one!!!) has a professional writers and a more calm perspective on the world than social media and everything what we consume as media nowadays.
- JacobDotVI 6y ago
  Historically old-fashioned newspapers haven't had a calm perspective. Their headlines were the original clickbait. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
  - oaiey 6y ago
    I should replace calm with slowier.

def8cefe 6y ago

You have to step outside to grab the paper.

Angostura 6y ago

They had their newspaper delivered to their bedside table, so that it was the first thing they saw each morning?

munificent 6y ago

The key difference is that you could finish the newspaper. Imagine how different Instagram would if after ten minutes of scrolling you reached a point where it said "That's it. No more photos until tomorrow!" (You may remember that Facebook used to work that way with their chronological feed. As soon as you saw a familiar post, you knew you were done. There's a reason they killed that feature.)

LynxInLA 6y ago
Isn't that what happens with Instagram? It says "you've caught up" on my phone when I reach photos I've already seen.