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On the other hand, Google's is 4.5MB whereas Apple's is 55MB. For comparison, the 1 minute YouTube video[1] in 1080p is only 11MB. [1]: https://www.youtube.com

On the other hand, Google's is 4.5MB whereas Apple's is 55MB. For comparison, the 1 minute YouTube video[1] in 1080p is only 11MB. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC9urbiVp4M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC9urbiVp4M

po1nter 6y ago
Apple should be using WebP on their page. It'll reduce the page size quite a bit.
- foepys 6y ago
  Safari doesn't support WebP.
  - 72deluxe 6y ago
    That's insane!
    - bzb3 6y ago
      What, Apple not sucking up to whatever new format Google wants to shove into the web?
      - viraptor 6y ago
        Apple not supporting formats which are available in the wild. They don't have to promote it or advertise it in any way. But not being able to play webp at this point is kind of silly if the alternatives are worse. Also, Chrome does support AAC which was popularised by Apple pushing it onto iPhones.
      - shakna 6y ago
        Safari's list of supported video formats is pitiful. > Safari on iOS supports low-complexity AAC audio, MP3 audio, AIF audio, WAVE audio, and baseline profile MPEG-4 video. Safari on the desktop (Mac OS X and Windows) supports all media supported by the installed version of QuickTime, including any installed third-party codecs. [0] Despite that probably being written many, many years ago, it's pretty accurate from what I can tell. [0] https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/AudioVideo/Conceptual/Using_HTML5_Audio_Video/AudioandVideoTagBasics/AudioandVideoTagBasics.html https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Au...
        lstamour 6y ago
        That’s not strictly true. You can use Apple’s preferred alternative to WebP, HEIF: https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/03/17/heif-image-container-format-leverages-h-265-hevc-to-store-photos-and-image-sequences/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/03/17/heif-image-container... And eventually AVIF: https://twitter.com/mathias/status/1248135249663574017 https://twitter.com/mathias/status/1248135249663574017 & https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207750 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207750
      - rooam-dev 6y ago
        But if it's a better experience for customers, why not?
        deleted 6y ago
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        halostatue 6y ago
        It’s not. WebP doesn’t have hardware decoders, which means that it’s going to be hell on batteries.
        72deluxe 6y ago
        Out of interest, do most systems have hardware decodes for JPEG + PNG?
      - richbradshaw 6y ago
        I do agree, but do serve webp when I can to save bandwidth. Webp has been around over 10 years now, so it's not exactly new. As a somewhat interesting aside, Apple don't even support their own HEIC in Safari, so maybe they just don't have a team working on this area of Safari!
        reaperducer 6y ago
        WebP has been around for 10 years, but Chrome didn't even support it for the first four, according to Can I Use.
    - pilif 6y ago
      Apple doesn't want to expose itself to the still somewhat murky situation around patents which might or might not be covering WebP (which is basically a still frame encoded in VP9). Aside of the potential risk of a lawsuit, what makes this worse is that as a partner of the MPEG-LA, they might even be in the position of compromising the MPEG patent pool itself.
    - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
      Photoshop doesn't support webp, barely anything supports webp. Although I'm not trying to defend Safari but webp is not a widely used format and absolutely shouldn't be being pushed at this point until I can save an image from a site and actually be able to use it in applications.
dmitriid 6y ago
Apple's page also features way more animations which are more extensive and complex than a total of may be three on Google's page? And also seamlessly flow into each other.

po1nter 6y ago

Apple should be using WebP on their page. It'll reduce the page size quite a bit.

foepys 6y ago
Safari doesn't support WebP.
- 72deluxe 6y ago
  That's insane!
  - bzb3 6y ago
    What, Apple not sucking up to whatever new format Google wants to shove into the web?
    - viraptor 6y ago
      Apple not supporting formats which are available in the wild. They don't have to promote it or advertise it in any way. But not being able to play webp at this point is kind of silly if the alternatives are worse. Also, Chrome does support AAC which was popularised by Apple pushing it onto iPhones.
    - shakna 6y ago
      Safari's list of supported video formats is pitiful. > Safari on iOS supports low-complexity AAC audio, MP3 audio, AIF audio, WAVE audio, and baseline profile MPEG-4 video. Safari on the desktop (Mac OS X and Windows) supports all media supported by the installed version of QuickTime, including any installed third-party codecs. [0] Despite that probably being written many, many years ago, it's pretty accurate from what I can tell. [0] https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/AudioVideo/Conceptual/Using_HTML5_Audio_Video/AudioandVideoTagBasics/AudioandVideoTagBasics.html https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Au...
      - lstamour 6y ago
        That’s not strictly true. You can use Apple’s preferred alternative to WebP, HEIF: https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/03/17/heif-image-container-format-leverages-h-265-hevc-to-store-photos-and-image-sequences/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/03/17/heif-image-container... And eventually AVIF: https://twitter.com/mathias/status/1248135249663574017 https://twitter.com/mathias/status/1248135249663574017 & https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207750 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207750
    - rooam-dev 6y ago
      But if it's a better experience for customers, why not?
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - halostatue 6y ago
        It’s not. WebP doesn’t have hardware decoders, which means that it’s going to be hell on batteries.
        72deluxe 6y ago
        Out of interest, do most systems have hardware decodes for JPEG + PNG?
    - richbradshaw 6y ago
      I do agree, but do serve webp when I can to save bandwidth. Webp has been around over 10 years now, so it's not exactly new. As a somewhat interesting aside, Apple don't even support their own HEIC in Safari, so maybe they just don't have a team working on this area of Safari!
      - reaperducer 6y ago
        WebP has been around for 10 years, but Chrome didn't even support it for the first four, according to Can I Use.
  - pilif 6y ago
    Apple doesn't want to expose itself to the still somewhat murky situation around patents which might or might not be covering WebP (which is basically a still frame encoded in VP9). Aside of the potential risk of a lawsuit, what makes this worse is that as a partner of the MPEG-LA, they might even be in the position of compromising the MPEG patent pool itself.
  - whywhywhywhy 6y ago
    Photoshop doesn't support webp, barely anything supports webp. Although I'm not trying to defend Safari but webp is not a widely used format and absolutely shouldn't be being pushed at this point until I can save an image from a site and actually be able to use it in applications.

dmitriid 6y ago

Apple's page also features way more animations which are more extensive and complex than a total of may be three on Google's page? And also seamlessly flow into each other.