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That's just how rich people are. "Cute" gets help, "not cute" doesn't matter. And humans are, for these most part, "not cute".

by 101404 6y ago

sdoering 6y ago
No. It just isn't following the "whataboutism" logic. Following this we could say: As there are always young able people in need, why care for old or disabled people who doo not contribute to society and only cost society's money? Why "donate" taxes for care facilities and such unnecessary stuff?
- markdown 6y ago
  You're taking this too far. Stop trying to do that. There is an island on which there are hungry people and hungry dogs. There is a limited pool of donor funds. The fact that there are people asking for money for the dogs before all the people on that little island have full bellies is just sad. The dogs will feel no pain from being put to sleep. Nobody can, will, or wants to even suggest that the children be put to sleep. We will let the children suffer horrible pain before we ever even consider suggesting such a thing. So every dollar spent on the starving dogs is a dollar that could have prevented some pain for the humans there. It would cost no money and no pain to put the dogs to sleep and ease the pain of some children. So stop trying to bring the rest of the world into this to win the argument. This is a localised problem on one island, and every dollar spent there should be spent on reducing harm.
  - michaelt 6y ago
    You might enjoy reading the utilitarian philosophy work of Peter Singer [1] A lot of charity donation is based on feelings rather than calculations about saved lives. Otherwise there would only be one charity, and it'd be distributing malaria nets and deworming tablets in Africa. In my experience, if someone donates $20 to animals in response to lowpro's post, that's not money subtracted from their fixed charity budget that would otherwise have gone to humans. That's money subtracted from their household budget, that otherwise would have been spent on hobbies and bills. People who have fixed charity budgets simply don't donate from them in response to social media posts. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_You_Can_Save https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_You_Can_Save
  - cultofmetatron 6y ago
    I may get downvoted for this and I would not advocate this under normal circumstances. But dogs are a source of protein that would be a shame to put to waste given that people are starving otherwise.
  - DuskStar 6y ago
    > The dogs will feel no pain from being put to sleep. > Nobody can, will, or wants to even suggest that the children be put to sleep. We will let the children suffer horrible pain before we ever even consider suggesting such a thing. Sounds like the proper solution is to convince people that putting kits to sleep is OK, then... (Not really, but it does seem to follow from your statements)
  - doc_gunthrop 6y ago
    > The fact that there are people asking for money for the dogs before all the people on that little island have full bellies is just sad. You're operating on the assumption that the people with the means to donate prioritize human life over a dog's life, which isn't always the case.

That's just how rich people are. "Cute" gets help, "not cute" doesn't matter. And humans are, for these most part, "not cute".

by 101404 6y ago

That's just how rich people are. "Cute" gets help, "not cute" doesn't matter. And humans are, for these most part, "not cute".

sdoering 6y ago

No. It just isn't following the "whataboutism" logic. Following this we could say: As there are always young able people in need, why care for old or disabled people who doo not contribute to society and only cost society's money? Why "donate" taxes for care facilities and such unnecessary stuff?

markdown 6y ago
You're taking this too far. Stop trying to do that. There is an island on which there are hungry people and hungry dogs. There is a limited pool of donor funds. The fact that there are people asking for money for the dogs before all the people on that little island have full bellies is just sad. The dogs will feel no pain from being put to sleep. Nobody can, will, or wants to even suggest that the children be put to sleep. We will let the children suffer horrible pain before we ever even consider suggesting such a thing. So every dollar spent on the starving dogs is a dollar that could have prevented some pain for the humans there. It would cost no money and no pain to put the dogs to sleep and ease the pain of some children. So stop trying to bring the rest of the world into this to win the argument. This is a localised problem on one island, and every dollar spent there should be spent on reducing harm.
- michaelt 6y ago
  You might enjoy reading the utilitarian philosophy work of Peter Singer [1] A lot of charity donation is based on feelings rather than calculations about saved lives. Otherwise there would only be one charity, and it'd be distributing malaria nets and deworming tablets in Africa. In my experience, if someone donates $20 to animals in response to lowpro's post, that's not money subtracted from their fixed charity budget that would otherwise have gone to humans. That's money subtracted from their household budget, that otherwise would have been spent on hobbies and bills. People who have fixed charity budgets simply don't donate from them in response to social media posts. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_You_Can_Save https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_You_Can_Save
- cultofmetatron 6y ago
  I may get downvoted for this and I would not advocate this under normal circumstances. But dogs are a source of protein that would be a shame to put to waste given that people are starving otherwise.
- DuskStar 6y ago
  > The dogs will feel no pain from being put to sleep. > Nobody can, will, or wants to even suggest that the children be put to sleep. We will let the children suffer horrible pain before we ever even consider suggesting such a thing. Sounds like the proper solution is to convince people that putting kits to sleep is OK, then... (Not really, but it does seem to follow from your statements)
- doc_gunthrop 6y ago
  > The fact that there are people asking for money for the dogs before all the people on that little island have full bellies is just sad. You're operating on the assumption that the people with the means to donate prioritize human life over a dog's life, which isn't always the case.