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Yes, I’m sure you can. But there doesn’t seem to be the same sense of anger or rage that they be ‘returned’. I’m really sorry I took the bait and commented on t

by qubex 7y ago

Yes, I’m sure you can. But there doesn’t seem to be the same sense of anger or rage that they be ‘returned’. I’m really sorry I took the bait and commented on this.

thelittleone 7y ago
Is this a fair comparison? A floppy disk stored 1.44MB. The first imac was released without a floppy drive was 1998. There was other superior alternatives. Floppy’s where quite easily corrupted by magnetically or through other means. Sandisk Flash drives and other alternatives where much faster offered much higher capacity and improved reliability / integrity. How is there a parallel to the headphone jack?
- qubex 7y ago
  Is it a fair comparison? I don’t know, you tell me, on the basis of the actual facts. When the iMac was released without a floppy drive in 1998, it was launched with a CD-ROM (and, only in the DV models, with a DVD-ROM) drive, which meant it was not able to write to CDs or DVDs. Flash drives were first released in 2000. So... were “better alternatives” available? Yes. Were they incorporated onto the machine? No. The idea was that almost all output would occur through the network, and that was a fairly prescient idea. If you wanted writable media, you had to add it externally — via a USB 1.1 connection, if memory serves (though maybe the machine also had a FireWire port, I can’t quite remember). The point was that the floppy drive wasn’t removed because they replaced it with “better alternatives” on the machine, the point was that they thought that obsolete media had no place on modern almost-turn-of-the-millennium platforms. I’d argue that there’s a pretty good parallel here.
  - bscphil 7y ago
    Ironically, if you're right about the order of events, I agree with you about the parallel being pretty good, but disagree with you about the implications of the argument. They should have waited until it was possible to include some form of writable media support on the iMac to remove the floppy drive. (This wouldn't have taken very long, however, unlike the headphone jack, which is likely to remain the superior audio connector for consumers longer than the iPhone remains a product.)
  - jmiserez 7y ago
    The original iMac 233MHz did not have Firewire, only the later "DV" (digital video) models did. But it had USB (instead of ADB), and the Iomega Zip 100MB drives were a popular alternative to floppy disks for personal use. New Mac-compatible software was already available on CDs, so the lack of a CD burner or floppy drive was not actually that much of an issue in practice.
- kayoone 7y ago
  I can pair my bluetooth headphones to different devices with the click of a button (eg. when leaving the desk etc). I can be connected to my phone and the Laptop at the same time. It's very convenient when making phone calls on the go or listening to navigation on the bike without messing with cables. I am not an Audiophile but have two decent pairs of Bluetooth headphones with subjectively great audio quality. For me personally, it is a huge step up in convenience, i would never go back to have another wire on the desk or under my clothes.
xenospn 7y ago
No bait, just expressing my genuine misunderstanding of said "rage" or "anger" and using the "taken" terminology. It sounds to me like a bunch of people yelling at a car manufacturer for giving them keyless entry and demanding physical keys back. (and no, I don't use Bluetooth audio. Everything I own is wired)
- eozoon 7y ago
  That analogy doesn't really work tho. No one is complaining about getting keyless entry (almost all phone had Bluetooth for the past decade or so, no one minded), just the removal of physical keys (the 3.5mm jack). While I'm not an expert on cars, most cars that have keyless entry that I've came across DO come with physical key, either separately, hidden inside the key fob, or the whole key fob works as a physical key as well. The only exception I know of is Tesla, but even they give you 2 keycards and you can purchase more. The reason is basically the same the reason I want headphone jacks back - fobs/Bluetooth can run out of battery, they are expansive to replace so you can't have multiple of them lying around. While I do use the wireless option most of the time. I want the wired option as a backup. Additionally, wired better functionality than the wireless option in this case - FM radio (not relevant for iPhones, but it does for Android), better audio quality, less battery consumption, ability to charge the phone while in use - features I personally am not very attached to but can see why they might be important for other people.
Kiro 7y ago
There is no sense of anger or rage outside the tiny tech bubble that complains about it. In the real world people have forgot about the headphone jack a long time ago.

by qubex 7y ago

Yes, I’m sure you can. But there doesn’t seem to be the same sense of anger or rage that they be ‘returned’. I’m really sorry I took the bait and commented on this.

thelittleone 7y ago

Is this a fair comparison? A floppy disk stored 1.44MB. The first imac was released without a floppy drive was 1998. There was other superior alternatives. Floppy’s where quite easily corrupted by magnetically or through other means. Sandisk Flash drives and other alternatives where much faster offered much higher capacity and improved reliability / integrity. How is there a parallel to the headphone jack?

qubex 7y ago
Is it a fair comparison? I don’t know, you tell me, on the basis of the actual facts. When the iMac was released without a floppy drive in 1998, it was launched with a CD-ROM (and, only in the DV models, with a DVD-ROM) drive, which meant it was not able to write to CDs or DVDs. Flash drives were first released in 2000. So... were “better alternatives” available? Yes. Were they incorporated onto the machine? No. The idea was that almost all output would occur through the network, and that was a fairly prescient idea. If you wanted writable media, you had to add it externally — via a USB 1.1 connection, if memory serves (though maybe the machine also had a FireWire port, I can’t quite remember). The point was that the floppy drive wasn’t removed because they replaced it with “better alternatives” on the machine, the point was that they thought that obsolete media had no place on modern almost-turn-of-the-millennium platforms. I’d argue that there’s a pretty good parallel here.
- bscphil 7y ago
  Ironically, if you're right about the order of events, I agree with you about the parallel being pretty good, but disagree with you about the implications of the argument. They should have waited until it was possible to include some form of writable media support on the iMac to remove the floppy drive. (This wouldn't have taken very long, however, unlike the headphone jack, which is likely to remain the superior audio connector for consumers longer than the iPhone remains a product.)
- jmiserez 7y ago
  The original iMac 233MHz did not have Firewire, only the later "DV" (digital video) models did. But it had USB (instead of ADB), and the Iomega Zip 100MB drives were a popular alternative to floppy disks for personal use. New Mac-compatible software was already available on CDs, so the lack of a CD burner or floppy drive was not actually that much of an issue in practice.
kayoone 7y ago
I can pair my bluetooth headphones to different devices with the click of a button (eg. when leaving the desk etc). I can be connected to my phone and the Laptop at the same time. It's very convenient when making phone calls on the go or listening to navigation on the bike without messing with cables. I am not an Audiophile but have two decent pairs of Bluetooth headphones with subjectively great audio quality. For me personally, it is a huge step up in convenience, i would never go back to have another wire on the desk or under my clothes.

xenospn 7y ago

No bait, just expressing my genuine misunderstanding of said "rage" or "anger" and using the "taken" terminology. It sounds to me like a bunch of people yelling at a car manufacturer for giving them keyless entry and demanding physical keys back. (and no, I don't use Bluetooth audio. Everything I own is wired)

eozoon 7y ago
That analogy doesn't really work tho. No one is complaining about getting keyless entry (almost all phone had Bluetooth for the past decade or so, no one minded), just the removal of physical keys (the 3.5mm jack). While I'm not an expert on cars, most cars that have keyless entry that I've came across DO come with physical key, either separately, hidden inside the key fob, or the whole key fob works as a physical key as well. The only exception I know of is Tesla, but even they give you 2 keycards and you can purchase more. The reason is basically the same the reason I want headphone jacks back - fobs/Bluetooth can run out of battery, they are expansive to replace so you can't have multiple of them lying around. While I do use the wireless option most of the time. I want the wired option as a backup. Additionally, wired better functionality than the wireless option in this case - FM radio (not relevant for iPhones, but it does for Android), better audio quality, less battery consumption, ability to charge the phone while in use - features I personally am not very attached to but can see why they might be important for other people.

Kiro 7y ago

There is no sense of anger or rage outside the tiny tech bubble that complains about it. In the real world people have forgot about the headphone jack a long time ago.