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What don't Adobe get? It's not that Flash is bad "just" because it's not HTML5, it's also bad because it enables crap things. HTML5 or not, that's always going

What don't Adobe get? It's not that Flash is bad "just" because it's not HTML5, it's also bad because it enables crap things. HTML5 or not, that's always going to be the case.

iron_ball 16y ago
HTML (1 through 5) enable "crap things" too. As long as skilled users can create quality products, who cares what everyone else does?
- tomelders 16y ago
  But it's not skilled users using it? Nor is it an informed public using it. Even if those two ingredients did come together, Flash itself would still be a resource hungry, unstable dog.
andybak 16y ago
This kind of knee-jerk anti-Flash thing is getting tiresome. We get it. You don't like animated ads. I don't like them either. You can make annoying animations using any technology. Are you seriously implying that animation/interactivity in general is a bad thing? I seriously doubt that. Stop blaming the tools. Use Adblock and get over it.
- wlievens 16y ago
  Flash is great when used for the right purpose. HTML is great when used for the right purpose, too. Some may overlap; no problem as competition is good for tech. What bothers people is the fact that sometimes entire websites that would work perfectly in HTML are built in Flash.
  - andybak 16y ago
    I quite agree but Apple's anti-Flash play has almost certainly made this a thing of the past. OP seems to be saying something different and altogether less defensible: "Anything made with Flash is bad". This is denying an entire range of applications that are currently unfeasible with HTML-based technologies.
- tomelders 16y ago
  I should have said "encourage" instead of "enable". And it's not a knee jerk reaction, I've been anti flash for years. I used to make my money exclusively as a flash designer/developer. And of course I'm not implying what you suggest.
  - andybak 16y ago
    I struggle to find a different interpretation of your statement even with the word substitution you suggest. I've seen astonishing creativity from the Flash community over the years in the areas of games, UI experiments, generative art to name a few. Do you remember when Javascript had the same soiled reputation? DHTML anyone?

What don't Adobe get? It's not that Flash is bad "just" because it's not HTML5, it's also bad because it enables crap things. HTML5 or not, that's always going to be the case.

iron_ball 16y ago

HTML (1 through 5) enable "crap things" too. As long as skilled users can create quality products, who cares what everyone else does?

tomelders 16y ago
But it's not skilled users using it? Nor is it an informed public using it. Even if those two ingredients did come together, Flash itself would still be a resource hungry, unstable dog.

andybak 16y ago

This kind of knee-jerk anti-Flash thing is getting tiresome. We get it. You don't like animated ads. I don't like them either. You can make annoying animations using any technology. Are you seriously implying that animation/interactivity in general is a bad thing? I seriously doubt that. Stop blaming the tools. Use Adblock and get over it.

wlievens 16y ago
Flash is great when used for the right purpose. HTML is great when used for the right purpose, too. Some may overlap; no problem as competition is good for tech. What bothers people is the fact that sometimes entire websites that would work perfectly in HTML are built in Flash.
- andybak 16y ago
  I quite agree but Apple's anti-Flash play has almost certainly made this a thing of the past. OP seems to be saying something different and altogether less defensible: "Anything made with Flash is bad". This is denying an entire range of applications that are currently unfeasible with HTML-based technologies.
tomelders 16y ago
I should have said "encourage" instead of "enable". And it's not a knee jerk reaction, I've been anti flash for years. I used to make my money exclusively as a flash designer/developer. And of course I'm not implying what you suggest.
- andybak 16y ago
  I struggle to find a different interpretation of your statement even with the word substitution you suggest. I've seen astonishing creativity from the Flash community over the years in the areas of games, UI experiments, generative art to name a few. Do you remember when Javascript had the same soiled reputation? DHTML anyone?