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Stockholm has about 1300 deaths per million (excluding our systematic late reporting) and it's still increasing and no sign of the curve tapering off. Also, pr

Stockholm has about 1300 deaths per million (excluding our systematic late reporting) and it's still increasing and no sign of the curve tapering off. Also, probably the wrong country to praise a capital G God about, but that's just a cultural thing. (yeah, everyone says it does since a week ago but data is reported late and it has been showing a downward trend the last few days for many weeks, it's not)

rurban 7y ago
Sweden COVID-19 numbers are much lower than the flu numbers in the years before. Now they are at 2000 deaths total, in the years before they were at 1800 weekly. That's almost everywhere, besides a few outliers which need to be studied. The global trend is that it is a very weak flu season, despite there's no vaccine, no proper treatment (ventilators turning up wrong at the end of the wave) and extremely high spread (R0 of 5). Turns out people's immune reaction can fight SARS-CoV-2 much better than the normal influenza strains, for which vaccination exist. Maybe because it's so close to the common cold our body is accustomed to. Everybody likes to play the numbers and curves games, but don't make it political by deliberately faking it. Like the NY Times or FT curves lately. Even euromomo.eu changed its curves recently so they do lookh more dramatic. Not backed by the absolute numbers. They suddenly invented 32.000 unaccounted new deaths out of the magicians hat, not telling us were these new numbers came from. Some countries forbid pathologies on COVID-19 cases and forbid classification post-mortem. But this only applies to elderlies dying at home alone. But this would only apply to countries like the US with no healthcare system. Like the New Jersey case of 70 seniors. Everybody else goes to the hospitals.
- jsnell 7y ago
  The mortality rate from all causes in Stockholm is more than double the average from the previous five years. Suggesting it is the equivalent of a "weak flu season" is an outright lie. And the bit about our immune system being able to fight it off well due to a similarity with the common cold is just something you made up, right?
- tapland 7y ago
  No, we haven't had 1800 flu deaths weekly. That sounds about right for _all deaths by all causes per week_ though. Where did you get the idea that 100% of deaths this time of year is because of the flu? Around 2k deaths is a common but serious flu, and corona has passed that, and we don't see a peak.
roenxi 7y ago
That doesn't necessarily mean it is a bad strategy. Other countries might just be delaying the deaths until they get to the point that they can't sustain the lockdowns without riots. At that point, they could end up in a situation where they experience the same deaths and have crippled their economy for months. Sweden would look very clever under such a scenario. We will only know what strategies worked the best with benefit of hindsight.
- thaway757383884 7y ago
  Sweden has a strong healthcare system. For the vast majority of other countries delaying deaths will mean saving many lives, because of overwhelmed healthcare systems. In the US, for example, healthcare systems are overloaded in places far from hotspots. If the lockdown had come a day or two later in places that are hotspots it would have been a catastrophe.

rurban 7y ago

Sweden COVID-19 numbers are much lower than the flu numbers in the years before. Now they are at 2000 deaths total, in the years before they were at 1800 weekly. That's almost everywhere, besides a few outliers which need to be studied. The global trend is that it is a very weak flu season, despite there's no vaccine, no proper treatment (ventilators turning up wrong at the end of the wave) and extremely high spread (R0 of 5). Turns out people's immune reaction can fight SARS-CoV-2 much better than the normal influenza strains, for which vaccination exist. Maybe because it's so close to the common cold our body is accustomed to. Everybody likes to play the numbers and curves games, but don't make it political by deliberately faking it. Like the NY Times or FT curves lately. Even euromomo.eu changed its curves recently so they do lookh more dramatic. Not backed by the absolute numbers. They suddenly invented 32.000 unaccounted new deaths out of the magicians hat, not telling us were these new numbers came from. Some countries forbid pathologies on COVID-19 cases and forbid classification post-mortem. But this only applies to elderlies dying at home alone. But this would only apply to countries like the US with no healthcare system. Like the New Jersey case of 70 seniors. Everybody else goes to the hospitals.

jsnell 7y ago
The mortality rate from all causes in Stockholm is more than double the average from the previous five years. Suggesting it is the equivalent of a "weak flu season" is an outright lie. And the bit about our immune system being able to fight it off well due to a similarity with the common cold is just something you made up, right?
tapland 7y ago
No, we haven't had 1800 flu deaths weekly. That sounds about right for _all deaths by all causes per week_ though. Where did you get the idea that 100% of deaths this time of year is because of the flu? Around 2k deaths is a common but serious flu, and corona has passed that, and we don't see a peak.

roenxi 7y ago

That doesn't necessarily mean it is a bad strategy. Other countries might just be delaying the deaths until they get to the point that they can't sustain the lockdowns without riots. At that point, they could end up in a situation where they experience the same deaths and have crippled their economy for months. Sweden would look very clever under such a scenario. We will only know what strategies worked the best with benefit of hindsight.

thaway757383884 7y ago
Sweden has a strong healthcare system. For the vast majority of other countries delaying deaths will mean saving many lives, because of overwhelmed healthcare systems. In the US, for example, healthcare systems are overloaded in places far from hotspots. If the lockdown had come a day or two later in places that are hotspots it would have been a catastrophe.