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> GNU mailmain is more or less fine; what sucks is the pipermail archiver that it comes with. That doesn't have to be used, luckily. Pipermail is part of mailm

by hannob 7y ago

> GNU mailmain is more or less fine; what sucks is the pipermail archiver that it comes with. That doesn't have to be used, luckily. Pipermail is part of mailman 2, which is the about to be deprecated very soon version (it's python 2 only). Mailman 3 has a different thing, but I haven't tried it yet.

syntheticnature 7y ago
This is interesting, because cPanel still ships with Mailman 2 as the 2->3 archive conversion still has bugs[0]. 0: https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0 https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0
- kazinator 7y ago
  If archive "conversion" is an issue, that sounds like the new archive tool that Mailman 3 comes with is not good at importing mbox files and generating an archive from them? That seems hard to believe. I had no issue with this with Lurker. A few times in the (now fairly distant) past I gone in there and blew off all the generated content (after editing an mbox archive file), then re-generated. Since then I developed an invisible delete button right in the web UI, for removing spam from the web archive. If you know where to click, and what the password is, you can blow off any post. An archiver that can't import your historic mbox files has a showstopper issue for anyone with existing archives, and may present a problem to someone who wants to rebuild a damaged web archive.
  - syntheticnature 7y ago
    Looking at that thread, it's not clear whether the problem is the archives or moving some other configuration aspects; it seems like they think an archive-less move is easier, but given there's no support at all...
kazinator 7y ago
Looks like this is HyperKitty? Any examples of this in use? The web page has a link to some dated mock-ups (2012): https://wiki.list.org/HyperKitty https://wiki.list.org/HyperKitty It looks like some random web BBS forum. (Please tell me the actual thing does not have up/down "like" votes; that's completely stupid in a mail archive (not to mention misleading), and preventing abuse of it would require visitors to be authenticated, which is also a complete stupid thing in a mail archive.)
- banger180 7y ago
  Fedora usses mailman 3 and hyperkitty at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ It is infidelity inspired by the layout of a forum, but looks great IMO.
  - kazinator 7y ago
    Wow, that's pretty awful. And they did implement the moronic voting buttons, too (facepalm). Lurker wipes the floor with Hyperkitty. (And is fast: C++ that generates static pages!)
- zimpenfish 7y ago
  I saw something about this yesterday and the stated rationale for votes was that mailman is supposed to bridge between mailing lists and forums (where votes are useful.)

by hannob 7y ago

syntheticnature 7y ago

This is interesting, because cPanel still ships with Mailman 2 as the 2->3 archive conversion still has bugs[0]. 0: https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0 https://features.cpanel.net/topic/upgrade-to-mailman-3-0

kazinator 7y ago
If archive "conversion" is an issue, that sounds like the new archive tool that Mailman 3 comes with is not good at importing mbox files and generating an archive from them? That seems hard to believe. I had no issue with this with Lurker. A few times in the (now fairly distant) past I gone in there and blew off all the generated content (after editing an mbox archive file), then re-generated. Since then I developed an invisible delete button right in the web UI, for removing spam from the web archive. If you know where to click, and what the password is, you can blow off any post. An archiver that can't import your historic mbox files has a showstopper issue for anyone with existing archives, and may present a problem to someone who wants to rebuild a damaged web archive.
- syntheticnature 7y ago
  Looking at that thread, it's not clear whether the problem is the archives or moving some other configuration aspects; it seems like they think an archive-less move is easier, but given there's no support at all...

kazinator 7y ago

Looks like this is HyperKitty? Any examples of this in use? The web page has a link to some dated mock-ups (2012): https://wiki.list.org/HyperKitty https://wiki.list.org/HyperKitty It looks like some random web BBS forum. (Please tell me the actual thing does not have up/down "like" votes; that's completely stupid in a mail archive (not to mention misleading), and preventing abuse of it would require visitors to be authenticated, which is also a complete stupid thing in a mail archive.)

banger180 7y ago
Fedora usses mailman 3 and hyperkitty at https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/ It is infidelity inspired by the layout of a forum, but looks great IMO.
- kazinator 7y ago
  Wow, that's pretty awful. And they did implement the moronic voting buttons, too (facepalm). Lurker wipes the floor with Hyperkitty. (And is fast: C++ that generates static pages!)
zimpenfish 7y ago
I saw something about this yesterday and the stated rationale for votes was that mailman is supposed to bridge between mailing lists and forums (where votes are useful.)