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I pay for the 'Ultimate' edition which means the different language support is available via plugins. At my day job I toggle between GO & Typescript and some J

I pay for the 'Ultimate' edition which means the different language support is available via plugins. At my day job I toggle between GO & Typescript and some JAVA side projects so setup works well enough for me. I can't speak to CLion. I use the Go debugger daily and I don't have 'GoLand' perse, just the plugin.

isbjorn16 6y ago
I can speak for you; you won't get a debugger with the Rust plugin with IntelliJ. I'm going from memory here, and it's been a few months, but I believe the person working at JetBrains on the Rust plugin said it wasn't going to come out for IntelliJ. My company is good about buying us tools, so they got me CLion (or, rather, the entire Jetbrains Ultimate Pack or whatever it's called). CLion has made Rust development almost infinitely better than it was just using the Rust plugin on IntelliJ (and this is coming from someone who just uses the Python plugin in IntelliJ even though like 50-75% of his code is Python). I'm a JVM dev masquerading as a Python dev and using Rust for some stuff that Python just isn't up to snuff on (and using the super sweet pyo3 package to make native python modules for it, too). The point is, I get the <3 for IntelliJ; I pay for the super ultimate edition for home use just because I like it _that_ much. But CLion and debugging has made my life so much better than doing it with the Rust plugin in IntelliJ or using VS Code. Some people are content with log statements, but I'd rather stab myself than debug via logs. It's just not my jam! Edit: I just thought to note that the CLion + Windows + Debugger game is weaksauce. There may be a way to get it to work in windows, but I don't know a single thing about the Visual Studio build tools or how to get everything to play nice or whatever that might be necessary, so I tried to get it to work through WSL. It worked sometimes, and not others, and I got so frustrated I picked up a Mac for my work refresh rather than another surfacebook, mostly because I was tired of having to jump through hoops to sometimes have a mostly working eventually kinda debugger.
- tsing 6y ago
  The rust plugin updated today with debug support for IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate
  - isbjorn16 6y ago
    That is fantastic news! I was curious when they added it and it looks like: https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust.github.io/commit/d3cda698be5dabfe2ce91932cc506c38ea9b1a5a https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust.github.io/com... So yeah - nevermind about CLion! I do think it works better than IntelliJ, but it's a subtle, not-easily-quantifiable thing, and it's probably not worth buying it if you're just dabbling and also have IntelliJ Ultimate.
dagmx 6y ago
While Ultimate does give you access to all the language plugins, it does not give you access to all the IDE features that the other Jetbrains IDEs have. This varies from language to language and IDE to IDE, but Idea does not support C++/Rust debugging, even with the language plugins. Only CLion supports them. I’ve found this true across multiple languages, hence why I bought the full toolbox subscription and use the language specific IDEs where possible. It’s cut out a lot of rough edges from when I tried to just use Ultimate.

isbjorn16 6y ago

I can speak for you; you won't get a debugger with the Rust plugin with IntelliJ. I'm going from memory here, and it's been a few months, but I believe the person working at JetBrains on the Rust plugin said it wasn't going to come out for IntelliJ. My company is good about buying us tools, so they got me CLion (or, rather, the entire Jetbrains Ultimate Pack or whatever it's called). CLion has made Rust development almost infinitely better than it was just using the Rust plugin on IntelliJ (and this is coming from someone who just uses the Python plugin in IntelliJ even though like 50-75% of his code is Python). I'm a JVM dev masquerading as a Python dev and using Rust for some stuff that Python just isn't up to snuff on (and using the super sweet pyo3 package to make native python modules for it, too). The point is, I get the <3 for IntelliJ; I pay for the super ultimate edition for home use just because I like it _that_ much. But CLion and debugging has made my life so much better than doing it with the Rust plugin in IntelliJ or using VS Code. Some people are content with log statements, but I'd rather stab myself than debug via logs. It's just not my jam! Edit: I just thought to note that the CLion + Windows + Debugger game is weaksauce. There may be a way to get it to work in windows, but I don't know a single thing about the Visual Studio build tools or how to get everything to play nice or whatever that might be necessary, so I tried to get it to work through WSL. It worked sometimes, and not others, and I got so frustrated I picked up a Mac for my work refresh rather than another surfacebook, mostly because I was tired of having to jump through hoops to sometimes have a mostly working eventually kinda debugger.

tsing 6y ago
The rust plugin updated today with debug support for IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate
- isbjorn16 6y ago
  That is fantastic news! I was curious when they added it and it looks like: https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust.github.io/commit/d3cda698be5dabfe2ce91932cc506c38ea9b1a5a https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust.github.io/com... So yeah - nevermind about CLion! I do think it works better than IntelliJ, but it's a subtle, not-easily-quantifiable thing, and it's probably not worth buying it if you're just dabbling and also have IntelliJ Ultimate.

dagmx 6y ago

While Ultimate does give you access to all the language plugins, it does not give you access to all the IDE features that the other Jetbrains IDEs have. This varies from language to language and IDE to IDE, but Idea does not support C++/Rust debugging, even with the language plugins. Only CLion supports them. I’ve found this true across multiple languages, hence why I bought the full toolbox subscription and use the language specific IDEs where possible. It’s cut out a lot of rough edges from when I tried to just use Ultimate.