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I am shocked an appalled to see that there is an anti-vaxx undertone present on HN. A simple google search reveals that this information is false. https://www

I am shocked an appalled to see that there is an anti-vaxx undertone present on HN. A simple google search reveals that this information is false. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-id2020/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-id2020/ Please, @csense - this is only a digital certificate, one which is clearly designed not to actively track someone, but to provide much needed medical info in 3rd world countries who don't have the infrastructure to store vaccination records across borders. Personally, I think you should be ashamed of making such a disingenuous connection.

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gccxsse 6y ago
Do you really want to be injected with a highly rushed vaccine that hasn't been tested for longterm side effects? Remember when they were putting asbestos into everything? Or when they were spraying neighborhoods with 'harmless' insecticides? Or when companies fudge results to pass regulations or performance specs. The world is not very different from where it was 50 years ago. I would rather get the rona than get an unproven vaccine.
- skuthus 6y ago
  I am confused - Before we were talking about ID2020, now suddenly it is about vaccines? And from a 12-day old account, no less. A quick look at your comment history tells me you are only here to bridage the site with anti-vaxx messaging.
  - pdubs1 6y ago
    "I am confused, strawman strawman strawman, strawman?"
  - gortep 6y ago
    You people with your "anti-vaxx" everything, anti-anti-vaxx everything. It's all "right wing conspiracy". All you do is try to shame people into passively accepting whatever you've decided is True and Good, i.e., "science", the field of truth that produces "vaccines", and everything else that is Safe and Effective. So quick to attack skeptics and truth seekers as "right wing conspiracy theorists" like the good media audience that you are. You are simply Appalled! The OP ought to be Ashamed! A 12-day old account, must be a troll, spammer, Russiagate disinformation agent. Hey, it was Russia and the terrorists been injecting falsehoods into the lexicon to disrupt the fabric of our comfortable dream state all along, listen here. And you speak for the whole HN community, no less, with far-flung high-falutin self-obsessed pro-tag'n'track cattle herding ideas sent by billionaire human saviors. The great delusion is thinking that everything is exactly as it seems. Actors tell truths. Governments save lives. And if you think otherwise, then Doctor Skuthus says "Please seek help; you lack the mental faculties of my great erudition and are disordered in your thinking". Just some self-aggrandizing garbage toss, same as anywhere else, but with the protective coating of "HN is on my side guys".
pdubs1 6y ago
I am shocked and appalled to see Snopes is believed to be a source of information validation on HN. Why-- Because Facebook told you so (facebook used Snopes for "fake news" verification)? ...Considering: "'Fact checking' website Snopes on verge of collapse after founder is accused of fraud, lies, and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses (and it hasn't told its readers THOSE facts)" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brink-founder-accused-fraud-lying.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brin... "Allegations from Mikkelson's divorce paint the website CEO as a money-hungry playboy, who "nickel and dimed" his ex-wife — and former Snopes.com owner — as well as spent nearly a hundred-thousand dollars on prostitutes and trips to exotic places. The suit claims the professional escort and former adult film star, Elyssa Young, whose escort name is Eryn O'Bryn, is Mikkelson's new wife. " https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-checking-website-snopescom-considers/ https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-... Snopes is NOT an authority on information validity. Also, FYI: Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy. Do you always listen to "authority"? How about when told to jump off a bridge or commit acts of crime? I'll take Stanford Prison Experiment for 600, Alex! ______________ Open your mind. Search for yourself, instead of relying on the discredited Snopes & The Zombie-Sheeple-Hivemind. Lookup ID2020. Bill Gates - Reddit AMA I quote him: "Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it." https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/fkupg49/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill... "An Invisible Quantum Dot 'Tattoo' Could Be Used to ID Vaccinated Kids "The invisible "tattoo" accompanying the vaccine is a pattern made up of minuscule quantum dots - tiny semiconducting crystals that reflect light - that glows under infrared light. The pattern - and vaccine - gets delivered into the skin using hi-tech dissolvable microneedles made of a mixture of polymers and sugar." "So far, the system is mostly a proof of concept. But the researchers have already tried it out on rats and found that the patterns were still detectable nine months after injection." "In human cadaver skin models, the patterns outlasted five years of simulated Sun exposure." "It's possible someday that this 'invisible' approach could create new possibilities for data storage, biosensing, and vaccine applications that could improve how medical care is provided, particularly in the developing world," MIT professor and senior author Robert Langer said in the statement. " https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo... "The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement. Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination." https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-l...
csense 6y ago
First of all, I'm not anti-vax. When there's an approved vaccine for coronavirus, I'll get it myself, and urge everyone I know to do the same. Second, let's think for a few seconds how this technology would actually work in practice. The technology is a method which allows you to put a few bits of information into the skin. Presumably it's permanent, non-user-visible and non-user-removable. From there it's protocol design. Option (a), you could store the data of which vaccines directly on the person. Option (b), you could store some kind of ID number to an online database. We can have a fine flamewar over the merits and drawbacks of Option (a) vs Option (b). But I think it's safe to assume there's maybe a 50% chance they'll end up going with Option (b). This is pretty worrying. You state the fact it'll presumably only be deployed in Africa, but this is not reassuring. In African countries, it seems like it happens frequently that the government decides this week, it's your tribe's turn for genocide. In this case you'd want to make a run for it, escape your tribe's normal haunts where the death squads will be out in force. Of course you could sneak across a border, or openly walk into a foreign customs post and ask for asylum, but changing countries has its own set of risks and problems. An alternative survival strategy would be to simply destroy your identifying documents, if you ever had any, and try to blend in somewhere else. If your identifying document's a non-removable tattoo, you can't do this.
- skuthus 6y ago
  The technology is not currently being implemented in the manufacturing process for any vaccine currently being made. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous. As an example of the damage that suggestion does, look no further than the other comments under your post - This is fuel for the fire if you're part of the anti-vax crowd. I also want to point out that blockchain identification is inherent in the design of ID2020, so even if it was implemented, it would not give a central database a way to track everyone, only a way to look up an individuals vaccine history at the time of scan, similar to how Google and Microsoft's data sharing for COVID is operating.
zla10 6y ago
> Personally, I think you should be ashamed of making such a disingenuous connection. The flagged comment has not even hinted at being anti-vax. You are the one who should be ashamed, but in this thread the authoritarians / MSFT lobby [1] apparently prevails. [1] Which is huge on HN.
- pdubs1 6y ago
  Herein lies the answer. You, my good human, have called it. MSFT shills out in force today. Lest we not forget the ethics of MSFT and Bill Gates: Embrace, extend, and extinguish ""Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE),[1] also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate",[2] is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found[3] was used internally by Microsoft[4] to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Tips hat /thread
- skuthus 6y ago
  . I didn't mention anti-vax sentiment as the reason they should be ashamed, I was referring to the suggestion that ID2020 is in any way applicable to the current COVID crisis. It isnt. 2. I have no affiliation with Microsoft, and neither does Bill Gates, any longer.
pdubs1 6y ago
Snopes has no reputation for information veracity-- ...Considering: "'Fact checking' website Snopes on verge of collapse after founder is accused of fraud, lies, and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses (and it hasn't told its readers THOSE facts)" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brink-founder-accused-fraud-lying.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brin... "Allegations from Mikkelson's divorce paint the website CEO as a money-hungry playboy, who "nickel and dimed" his ex-wife — and former Snopes.com owner — as well as spent nearly a hundred-thousand dollars on prostitutes and trips to exotic places. The suit claims the professional escort and former adult film star, Elyssa Young, whose escort name is Eryn O'Bryn, is Mikkelson's new wife. " https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-checking-website-snopescom-considers/ https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-... Snopes is NOT an authority on information validity. Also, FYI: Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy. Do you always listen to "authority"? How about when told to jump off a bridge or commit acts of crime? I'll take Stanford Prison Experiment for 600, Alex! ______________ Open your mind. Search for yourself, instead of relying on the discredited Snopes & The Zombie-Sheeple-Hivemind. Lookup ID2020. Bill Gates - Reddit AMA I quote him: "Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it." https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/fkupg49/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill... "An Invisible Quantum Dot 'Tattoo' Could Be Used to ID Vaccinated Kids "The invisible "tattoo" accompanying the vaccine is a pattern made up of minuscule quantum dots - tiny semiconducting crystals that reflect light - that glows under infrared light. The pattern - and vaccine - gets delivered into the skin using hi-tech dissolvable microneedles made of a mixture of polymers and sugar." "So far, the system is mostly a proof of concept. But the researchers have already tried it out on rats and found that the patterns were still detectable nine months after injection." "In human cadaver skin models, the patterns outlasted five years of simulated Sun exposure." "It's possible someday that this 'invisible' approach could create new possibilities for data storage, biosensing, and vaccine applications that could improve how medical care is provided, particularly in the developing world," MIT professor and senior author Robert Langer said in the statement. " https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo... "The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement. Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination." https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-l...
wickedbias123 6y ago
skuthus [robotic suspicion alerted. bias level: 99.99% MSFT shill detected] - Went to Evergreen State - Worked at Microsoft for 5 years https://skuth.us/about https://skuth.us/about about "My name is Skyler Schoos. I graduated from The Evergreen State College with a Bachelor’s focusing on Macroeconomics and trade. I worked for Microsoft for about five years, Then an MSP In Seattle called Swat Systems, and now I work in IT for SpaceX. In my spare time I like to take photos, find and fix old film cameras, as well as repair and hack old tech like ipods, macs, thinkpads, and portable consoles. "
- dang 6y ago
  Violating the site guidelines like this will get your main account banned as well. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
mrscottson 6y ago
People in developing nations didn't ask to get injected with random things western capitalists invent, if you guys think it's a great idea, please volunteer your own children first #skininthegame.

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gccxsse 6y ago

Do you really want to be injected with a highly rushed vaccine that hasn't been tested for longterm side effects? Remember when they were putting asbestos into everything? Or when they were spraying neighborhoods with 'harmless' insecticides? Or when companies fudge results to pass regulations or performance specs. The world is not very different from where it was 50 years ago. I would rather get the rona than get an unproven vaccine.

skuthus 6y ago
I am confused - Before we were talking about ID2020, now suddenly it is about vaccines? And from a 12-day old account, no less. A quick look at your comment history tells me you are only here to bridage the site with anti-vaxx messaging.
- pdubs1 6y ago
  "I am confused, strawman strawman strawman, strawman?"
- gortep 6y ago
  You people with your "anti-vaxx" everything, anti-anti-vaxx everything. It's all "right wing conspiracy". All you do is try to shame people into passively accepting whatever you've decided is True and Good, i.e., "science", the field of truth that produces "vaccines", and everything else that is Safe and Effective. So quick to attack skeptics and truth seekers as "right wing conspiracy theorists" like the good media audience that you are. You are simply Appalled! The OP ought to be Ashamed! A 12-day old account, must be a troll, spammer, Russiagate disinformation agent. Hey, it was Russia and the terrorists been injecting falsehoods into the lexicon to disrupt the fabric of our comfortable dream state all along, listen here. And you speak for the whole HN community, no less, with far-flung high-falutin self-obsessed pro-tag'n'track cattle herding ideas sent by billionaire human saviors. The great delusion is thinking that everything is exactly as it seems. Actors tell truths. Governments save lives. And if you think otherwise, then Doctor Skuthus says "Please seek help; you lack the mental faculties of my great erudition and are disordered in your thinking". Just some self-aggrandizing garbage toss, same as anywhere else, but with the protective coating of "HN is on my side guys".

pdubs1 6y ago

I am shocked and appalled to see Snopes is believed to be a source of information validation on HN. Why-- Because Facebook told you so (facebook used Snopes for "fake news" verification)? ...Considering: "'Fact checking' website Snopes on verge of collapse after founder is accused of fraud, lies, and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses (and it hasn't told its readers THOSE facts)" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brink-founder-accused-fraud-lying.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brin... "Allegations from Mikkelson's divorce paint the website CEO as a money-hungry playboy, who "nickel and dimed" his ex-wife — and former Snopes.com owner — as well as spent nearly a hundred-thousand dollars on prostitutes and trips to exotic places. The suit claims the professional escort and former adult film star, Elyssa Young, whose escort name is Eryn O'Bryn, is Mikkelson's new wife. " https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-checking-website-snopescom-considers/ https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-... Snopes is NOT an authority on information validity. Also, FYI: Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy. Do you always listen to "authority"? How about when told to jump off a bridge or commit acts of crime? I'll take Stanford Prison Experiment for 600, Alex! ______________ Open your mind. Search for yourself, instead of relying on the discredited Snopes & The Zombie-Sheeple-Hivemind. Lookup ID2020. Bill Gates - Reddit AMA I quote him: "Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it." https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/fkupg49/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill... "An Invisible Quantum Dot 'Tattoo' Could Be Used to ID Vaccinated Kids "The invisible "tattoo" accompanying the vaccine is a pattern made up of minuscule quantum dots - tiny semiconducting crystals that reflect light - that glows under infrared light. The pattern - and vaccine - gets delivered into the skin using hi-tech dissolvable microneedles made of a mixture of polymers and sugar." "So far, the system is mostly a proof of concept. But the researchers have already tried it out on rats and found that the patterns were still detectable nine months after injection." "In human cadaver skin models, the patterns outlasted five years of simulated Sun exposure." "It's possible someday that this 'invisible' approach could create new possibilities for data storage, biosensing, and vaccine applications that could improve how medical care is provided, particularly in the developing world," MIT professor and senior author Robert Langer said in the statement. " https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo... "The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement. Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination." https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-l...

csense 6y ago

First of all, I'm not anti-vax. When there's an approved vaccine for coronavirus, I'll get it myself, and urge everyone I know to do the same. Second, let's think for a few seconds how this technology would actually work in practice. The technology is a method which allows you to put a few bits of information into the skin. Presumably it's permanent, non-user-visible and non-user-removable. From there it's protocol design. Option (a), you could store the data of which vaccines directly on the person. Option (b), you could store some kind of ID number to an online database. We can have a fine flamewar over the merits and drawbacks of Option (a) vs Option (b). But I think it's safe to assume there's maybe a 50% chance they'll end up going with Option (b). This is pretty worrying. You state the fact it'll presumably only be deployed in Africa, but this is not reassuring. In African countries, it seems like it happens frequently that the government decides this week, it's your tribe's turn for genocide. In this case you'd want to make a run for it, escape your tribe's normal haunts where the death squads will be out in force. Of course you could sneak across a border, or openly walk into a foreign customs post and ask for asylum, but changing countries has its own set of risks and problems. An alternative survival strategy would be to simply destroy your identifying documents, if you ever had any, and try to blend in somewhere else. If your identifying document's a non-removable tattoo, you can't do this.

skuthus 6y ago
The technology is not currently being implemented in the manufacturing process for any vaccine currently being made. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous. As an example of the damage that suggestion does, look no further than the other comments under your post - This is fuel for the fire if you're part of the anti-vax crowd. I also want to point out that blockchain identification is inherent in the design of ID2020, so even if it was implemented, it would not give a central database a way to track everyone, only a way to look up an individuals vaccine history at the time of scan, similar to how Google and Microsoft's data sharing for COVID is operating.

zla10 6y ago

> Personally, I think you should be ashamed of making such a disingenuous connection. The flagged comment has not even hinted at being anti-vax. You are the one who should be ashamed, but in this thread the authoritarians / MSFT lobby [1] apparently prevails. [1] Which is huge on HN.

pdubs1 6y ago
Herein lies the answer. You, my good human, have called it. MSFT shills out in force today. Lest we not forget the ethics of MSFT and Bill Gates: Embrace, extend, and extinguish ""Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE),[1] also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate",[2] is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found[3] was used internally by Microsoft[4] to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis... Tips hat /thread
skuthus 6y ago
. I didn't mention anti-vax sentiment as the reason they should be ashamed, I was referring to the suggestion that ID2020 is in any way applicable to the current COVID crisis. It isnt. 2. I have no affiliation with Microsoft, and neither does Bill Gates, any longer.

pdubs1 6y ago

Snopes has no reputation for information veracity-- ...Considering: "'Fact checking' website Snopes on verge of collapse after founder is accused of fraud, lies, and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses (and it hasn't told its readers THOSE facts)" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brink-founder-accused-fraud-lying.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brin... "Allegations from Mikkelson's divorce paint the website CEO as a money-hungry playboy, who "nickel and dimed" his ex-wife — and former Snopes.com owner — as well as spent nearly a hundred-thousand dollars on prostitutes and trips to exotic places. The suit claims the professional escort and former adult film star, Elyssa Young, whose escort name is Eryn O'Bryn, is Mikkelson's new wife. " https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-checking-website-snopescom-considers/ https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/jul/28/ticker-fact-... Snopes is NOT an authority on information validity. Also, FYI: Appealing to Authority is a logical fallacy. Do you always listen to "authority"? How about when told to jump off a bridge or commit acts of crime? I'll take Stanford Prison Experiment for 600, Alex! ______________ Open your mind. Search for yourself, instead of relying on the discredited Snopes & The Zombie-Sheeple-Hivemind. Lookup ID2020. Bill Gates - Reddit AMA I quote him: "Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it." https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/fkupg49/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill... "An Invisible Quantum Dot 'Tattoo' Could Be Used to ID Vaccinated Kids "The invisible "tattoo" accompanying the vaccine is a pattern made up of minuscule quantum dots - tiny semiconducting crystals that reflect light - that glows under infrared light. The pattern - and vaccine - gets delivered into the skin using hi-tech dissolvable microneedles made of a mixture of polymers and sugar." "So far, the system is mostly a proof of concept. But the researchers have already tried it out on rats and found that the patterns were still detectable nine months after injection." "In human cadaver skin models, the patterns outlasted five years of simulated Sun exposure." "It's possible someday that this 'invisible' approach could create new possibilities for data storage, biosensing, and vaccine applications that could improve how medical care is provided, particularly in the developing world," MIT professor and senior author Robert Langer said in the statement. " https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo... "The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement. Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination." https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-l...

wickedbias123 6y ago

skuthus [robotic suspicion alerted. bias level: 99.99% MSFT shill detected] - Went to Evergreen State - Worked at Microsoft for 5 years https://skuth.us/about https://skuth.us/about about "My name is Skyler Schoos. I graduated from The Evergreen State College with a Bachelor’s focusing on Macroeconomics and trade. I worked for Microsoft for about five years, Then an MSP In Seattle called Swat Systems, and now I work in IT for SpaceX. In my spare time I like to take photos, find and fix old film cameras, as well as repair and hack old tech like ipods, macs, thinkpads, and portable consoles. "

dang 6y ago
Violating the site guidelines like this will get your main account banned as well. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mrscottson 6y ago

People in developing nations didn't ask to get injected with random things western capitalists invent, if you guys think it's a great idea, please volunteer your own children first #skininthegame.