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Can you call it "your data" if it is not being stored on your hard drive?

by hknapp 6y ago

skummetmaelk 6y ago
If I write your birthday on a piece of paper is it "your" birthday?
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- drusepth 6y ago
  It's his birthday, but he definitely doesn't own your piece of paper now.
  - Sir_Substance 6y ago
    Nor do I own the banks hard drives, but I do own the money stored on them. Much like how if I leave my phone in a taxi, either deliberately or accidentally, I don't own the taxi, but I do still own the phone.
    - drusepth 6y ago
      I think the analogy falls apart when you consider the movement/creation of singular objects (like your phone or your money) versus new/copied objects (a copy of his birthday on your singular piece of paper). If you create a replica of a taxi you rode in, you own that copy. If you take a photo of someone, you own that photo. If you write that person's birthday down on a piece of paper, you don't own their birthday now. You own the piece of paper with their birthday written on it, and they have no claim to that paper or what's written on it.
      - Sir_Substance 6y ago
        If you go through someones wallet and write down all the details required to open a bank account in their name, you do not suddenly own all those details, and you may not do with them whatever you wish as if you did. Opening a bank account using those details is identity theft, because they are not /your/ details. No one cares if you owned the paper you wrote them down on.
rsynnott 6y ago
Yes, you can. That is a large part of the point of the GDPR; personal information on third parties is no longer merely a corporate asset.
remus 6y ago
Thanks to GDPR, if the data personally identifies you then you sure can.
Sir_Substance 6y ago
Thanks to GDPR, yes I can. Comparison: The bank's hard drives hold my money, but it's still mine and not theirs.
renewiltord 6y ago
That's just colloquial terminology. GDPR terminology is "personal data" concerning or referring to the "data subject". That stalls the ownership question. And yes, when "personal data" regarding an EU "data subject" is stored on someone else's hard drive, that "data subject" has certain rights in the EU. These are colloquially interpreted as "you have rights to your data". Naturally, your address is not generally copyrightable (another notion of ownership of data) but it can be "personal data" that relates to you.

Can you call it "your data" if it is not being stored on your hard drive?

by hknapp 6y ago

Can you call it "your data" if it is not being stored on your hard drive?

skummetmaelk 6y ago

If I write your birthday on a piece of paper is it "your" birthday?

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drusepth 6y ago
It's his birthday, but he definitely doesn't own your piece of paper now.
- Sir_Substance 6y ago
  Nor do I own the banks hard drives, but I do own the money stored on them. Much like how if I leave my phone in a taxi, either deliberately or accidentally, I don't own the taxi, but I do still own the phone.
  - drusepth 6y ago
    I think the analogy falls apart when you consider the movement/creation of singular objects (like your phone or your money) versus new/copied objects (a copy of his birthday on your singular piece of paper). If you create a replica of a taxi you rode in, you own that copy. If you take a photo of someone, you own that photo. If you write that person's birthday down on a piece of paper, you don't own their birthday now. You own the piece of paper with their birthday written on it, and they have no claim to that paper or what's written on it.
    - Sir_Substance 6y ago
      If you go through someones wallet and write down all the details required to open a bank account in their name, you do not suddenly own all those details, and you may not do with them whatever you wish as if you did. Opening a bank account using those details is identity theft, because they are not /your/ details. No one cares if you owned the paper you wrote them down on.

rsynnott 6y ago

Yes, you can. That is a large part of the point of the GDPR; personal information on third parties is no longer merely a corporate asset.

remus 6y ago

Thanks to GDPR, if the data personally identifies you then you sure can.

Sir_Substance 6y ago

Thanks to GDPR, yes I can. Comparison: The bank's hard drives hold my money, but it's still mine and not theirs.

renewiltord 6y ago

That's just colloquial terminology. GDPR terminology is "personal data" concerning or referring to the "data subject". That stalls the ownership question. And yes, when "personal data" regarding an EU "data subject" is stored on someone else's hard drive, that "data subject" has certain rights in the EU. These are colloquially interpreted as "you have rights to your data". Naturally, your address is not generally copyrightable (another notion of ownership of data) but it can be "personal data" that relates to you.