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The causation is in his mind, both in deciding to purchase it and being uplifted by the cognitive spirit. What if's can't prove or disprove mind reading. The e

The causation is in his mind, both in deciding to purchase it and being uplifted by the cognitive spirit. What if's can't prove or disprove mind reading. The entire point is that it doesn't motivate him or change his feelings, those are his to have on his own terms. It provides a direction (buy sneakers) and a comforting spirit to support his behaviour. Here's the reverse to your thought experiment. A man sees a small boat and a big boat. The small yacht can take 4 people out frequently on small trips. The large yacht can take 100 people out on bigger trips deeper into the ocean. Both are holes in the ocean into which you pour money, which one is more performant? The bigger one has bigger engines, can fish more, can go further into the ocean and is unquestionably the better boat. It also burns money like the space program, just through maintenance time instead of fire. What if the bigger boat doesn't deliver all the parties that was promised, or the fish have left the accessible sea around his port? What if he finds out people only like him for his boat and it sinks his self worth? What if he could support the payments up front but found out he couldn't support them over time, too late? Would it be better if he spent money on shoes instead?

csb6 6y ago
> The entire point is that it doesn't motivate him or change his feelings, those are his to have on his own terms But they are not on his own terms, as you admitted in your earlier post ("He buys the Nike’s because he wants to live the dream of athletic achievement that he saw in many Nike ads"). He wants Nikes because Nike ads told him he would feel victorious/cool/whatever by buying them. Nothing in the skateboarder's mind intrinsically wants to buy Nike over Adidas. Nike shoes have no meaningful difference in utility or material to give him different "cognitive spirits". The "athletic achievement" in the ads are not connected meaningfully to the shoes; they are intended to manipulate his thinking into buying the shoe or associating it with an abstract value that is not inherent to any single brand of shoe. The reason he wants Nikes is because of the ads; his desire for them is manufactured by the media he consumes.
- friendlybus 6y ago
  Consciously separating them in your mind does nothing for the reality that the concepts in the ad exist in the shoe for everybody who does not reject it. It precisely is his own terms, you can choose which spirits you want to participate in, or none, as you have just shown multiple times. If ads are capable of brainwashing, why wouldn't they just put out an ad that removes the idea of disagreeing with ads forever? It's nonsense. Where are these totalitarian ads that prove that you have no free will and are open to manipulation all the time? Why do people rebel against foreign ads?

csb6 6y ago

> The entire point is that it doesn't motivate him or change his feelings, those are his to have on his own terms But they are not on his own terms, as you admitted in your earlier post ("He buys the Nike’s because he wants to live the dream of athletic achievement that he saw in many Nike ads"). He wants Nikes because Nike ads told him he would feel victorious/cool/whatever by buying them. Nothing in the skateboarder's mind intrinsically wants to buy Nike over Adidas. Nike shoes have no meaningful difference in utility or material to give him different "cognitive spirits". The "athletic achievement" in the ads are not connected meaningfully to the shoes; they are intended to manipulate his thinking into buying the shoe or associating it with an abstract value that is not inherent to any single brand of shoe. The reason he wants Nikes is because of the ads; his desire for them is manufactured by the media he consumes.

friendlybus 6y ago
Consciously separating them in your mind does nothing for the reality that the concepts in the ad exist in the shoe for everybody who does not reject it. It precisely is his own terms, you can choose which spirits you want to participate in, or none, as you have just shown multiple times. If ads are capable of brainwashing, why wouldn't they just put out an ad that removes the idea of disagreeing with ads forever? It's nonsense. Where are these totalitarian ads that prove that you have no free will and are open to manipulation all the time? Why do people rebel against foreign ads?