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>So what's that great idea you claim to have? Where's the link to your dissertation and a runnable demo? That's mine. When it's ready I'll reveal it. >I think

>So what's that great idea you claim to have? Where's the link to your dissertation and a runnable demo? That's mine. When it's ready I'll reveal it. >I think you need to go back and watch it again, because what you're saying doesn't align with what the video shows, and it sure sounds like you misunderstand, and that you don't know what you're talking about. In his video he even called viewpoint an "editor" as opposed to a "visual programming language." It's clearly not Turing complete and I would say outside the topic of visual programming languages. I think he's more in the domain of researching user interfaces for the common computer user rather than a visual interface for programmers and programming in general.

DonHopkins 6y ago
>That's mine. When it's ready I'll reveal it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMNPQ35OUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMNPQ35OUc Oh, it looks like we have ourselves a classic "idea guy"! I've met a whole lot of people like you before. It must be hard getting a job in such a crowded field, especially at a time like this. So that's a hard no, you've never heard of Scott Kim or Donald Knuth or Xerox PARC, right? I can see you have excellent soft "people skills", and it must be a delight to work with you. Good luck talking somebody else into implementing your ideas for you, but don't let anybody else know what they are, and keep them top secret, and never discuss them with anyone who's done similar work, and make sure everyone you discuss them with signs NDAs with No Complete clauses (and make sure you're in a state where they're enforceable) and Reach-Around Clauses (in case they fuck you up the ass), because your ideas are so easy to implement once you know them, that somebody might steal them from you before you get around to conning somebody else into implementing them for you for free, if you leak any details of all those original ideas of yours that are all yours and nobody else's and they belong to you and are yours. ahem ahem cough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs7r5xfucPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs7r5xfucPs Better see somebody about that cough!
- crimsonalucard 6y ago
  >Oh, it looks like we have ourselves a classic "idea guy"! I've met a whole lot of people like you before. It must be hard getting a job in such a crowded field, especially at a time like this. It's just a fuzzy idea. Not a business idea. I don't see how I can make any money off of it. Also I'm not the type of guy who can get other people interested in working on it. Likely even if I do build it myself and open source it one day it won't take off without external support or luck. >So that's a no, you've never heard of Scott Kim or Donald Knuth or Xerox PARC, right? No who are those guys. Never heard of them. I only know about Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates. That's all I know. >I can see you have excellent soft "people skills", and it must be a delight to work with you. Yeah I figured you might get pissed off. Note that it was nothing personal, and none of my comments (other than the sarcasm above) ever deviated from just attacking the idea. I was just extremely direct with my criticism. I attacked the idea, but inevitably as all people are... if I attack the idea, the person behind the idea feels he's getting attacked too. I tend to be more direct on the internet to cut through all the politics as the consequences of not playing the game on the internet are not that serious.
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    >It's just a fuzzy idea. Well I'm sure it proves your point, whatever it is, and definitively wins your argument, hands down. Who am I to question such extreme self confidence? I graciously concede. Congratulations! >Yeah I figured you might get pissed off. Note that it was nothing personal, and none of my comments (other than the sarcasm above) Why I'm not pissed off at you at all, and I don't mean for you to take any of this personally, and I non-apologitically apologize for you choosing to be offended by any of my words, plus I give you the full and sincere benefit of the doubt that you would never retroactively claim you were being sarcastic, simply because you didn't want to admit you made a mistake. Who in their right mind would ever do something like that, in this day and age? I'm sure your brilliant idea is good enough to win the Noble Prize in Journalism for curing Coronavirus by injecting bleach. >No who are those guys. Never heard of them. I only know about Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates. That's all I know. Yeah, I didn't think you knew who you were criticizing, or even had the curiosity to google them.
    - crimsonalucard 6y ago
      >Yeah, I didn't think you knew who you were criticizing, or even had the curiosity to google them. I was being sarcastic. Either way you shouldn't worship people. Everyone is infallible. Clearly Scott made an editor and clearly that editor is inferior in every way to photoshop. You can literally do the same thing with Brushes. Maybe viewpoint was revolutionary for its time, but no longer. >Why I'm not pissed off at you at all, and I don't mean for you to take any of this personally You are pissed off, and you took it 100% personally. >Well I'm sure it proves your point, whatever it is, and definitively wins your argument, hands down. Who am I to question such extreme self confidence? I graciously concede. Congratulations! My idea could be a piece of shit for all I care. I didn't share it with you so there's really nothing to talk about. The topic at hand is viewpoint and how viewpoint isn't even turing complete. Viewpoint can't express any logic so it doesn't even fit with the overall topic of this thread: Visual programming languages.
      - DonHopkins 6y ago
        >I was being sarcastic. Then who are Scott Kim and Donald Knuth and Larry Tesler and Jeff Raskin, and what did they do that relates to this discussion? If you were being sarcastic about not knowing, then you should be able to easily answer that question. And here's another easy question: which one of them did HN most recently turn the header black for, and why? >You are pissed off, and you took it 100% personally. No, I was only sarcastically pretending to be pissed off and take it personally. ;)

DonHopkins 6y ago

>That's mine. When it's ready I'll reveal it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMNPQ35OUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMNPQ35OUc Oh, it looks like we have ourselves a classic "idea guy"! I've met a whole lot of people like you before. It must be hard getting a job in such a crowded field, especially at a time like this. So that's a hard no, you've never heard of Scott Kim or Donald Knuth or Xerox PARC, right? I can see you have excellent soft "people skills", and it must be a delight to work with you. Good luck talking somebody else into implementing your ideas for you, but don't let anybody else know what they are, and keep them top secret, and never discuss them with anyone who's done similar work, and make sure everyone you discuss them with signs NDAs with No Complete clauses (and make sure you're in a state where they're enforceable) and Reach-Around Clauses (in case they fuck you up the ass), because your ideas are so easy to implement once you know them, that somebody might steal them from you before you get around to conning somebody else into implementing them for you for free, if you leak any details of all those original ideas of yours that are all yours and nobody else's and they belong to you and are yours. ahem ahem cough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs7r5xfucPs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs7r5xfucPs Better see somebody about that cough!

crimsonalucard 6y ago
>Oh, it looks like we have ourselves a classic "idea guy"! I've met a whole lot of people like you before. It must be hard getting a job in such a crowded field, especially at a time like this. It's just a fuzzy idea. Not a business idea. I don't see how I can make any money off of it. Also I'm not the type of guy who can get other people interested in working on it. Likely even if I do build it myself and open source it one day it won't take off without external support or luck. >So that's a no, you've never heard of Scott Kim or Donald Knuth or Xerox PARC, right? No who are those guys. Never heard of them. I only know about Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates. That's all I know. >I can see you have excellent soft "people skills", and it must be a delight to work with you. Yeah I figured you might get pissed off. Note that it was nothing personal, and none of my comments (other than the sarcasm above) ever deviated from just attacking the idea. I was just extremely direct with my criticism. I attacked the idea, but inevitably as all people are... if I attack the idea, the person behind the idea feels he's getting attacked too. I tend to be more direct on the internet to cut through all the politics as the consequences of not playing the game on the internet are not that serious.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  >It's just a fuzzy idea. Well I'm sure it proves your point, whatever it is, and definitively wins your argument, hands down. Who am I to question such extreme self confidence? I graciously concede. Congratulations! >Yeah I figured you might get pissed off. Note that it was nothing personal, and none of my comments (other than the sarcasm above) Why I'm not pissed off at you at all, and I don't mean for you to take any of this personally, and I non-apologitically apologize for you choosing to be offended by any of my words, plus I give you the full and sincere benefit of the doubt that you would never retroactively claim you were being sarcastic, simply because you didn't want to admit you made a mistake. Who in their right mind would ever do something like that, in this day and age? I'm sure your brilliant idea is good enough to win the Noble Prize in Journalism for curing Coronavirus by injecting bleach. >No who are those guys. Never heard of them. I only know about Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates. That's all I know. Yeah, I didn't think you knew who you were criticizing, or even had the curiosity to google them.
  - crimsonalucard 6y ago
    >Yeah, I didn't think you knew who you were criticizing, or even had the curiosity to google them. I was being sarcastic. Either way you shouldn't worship people. Everyone is infallible. Clearly Scott made an editor and clearly that editor is inferior in every way to photoshop. You can literally do the same thing with Brushes. Maybe viewpoint was revolutionary for its time, but no longer. >Why I'm not pissed off at you at all, and I don't mean for you to take any of this personally You are pissed off, and you took it 100% personally. >Well I'm sure it proves your point, whatever it is, and definitively wins your argument, hands down. Who am I to question such extreme self confidence? I graciously concede. Congratulations! My idea could be a piece of shit for all I care. I didn't share it with you so there's really nothing to talk about. The topic at hand is viewpoint and how viewpoint isn't even turing complete. Viewpoint can't express any logic so it doesn't even fit with the overall topic of this thread: Visual programming languages.
    - DonHopkins 6y ago
      >I was being sarcastic. Then who are Scott Kim and Donald Knuth and Larry Tesler and Jeff Raskin, and what did they do that relates to this discussion? If you were being sarcastic about not knowing, then you should be able to easily answer that question. And here's another easy question: which one of them did HN most recently turn the header black for, and why? >You are pissed off, and you took it 100% personally. No, I was only sarcastically pretending to be pissed off and take it personally. ;)