> you feel like cattle pretty much every time of the day First of all this is not true, so I would start questioning whether you know what you're talking about

> you feel like cattle pretty much every time of the day First of all this is not true, so I would start questioning whether you know what you're talking about at all, or whether you're not trying to have an informed conversation based on facts. Outside of peak rush hours, roughly between 8-9 in the morning and 6-7 in the evening, and mostly on a few well-known lines, it is extremely unlikely for trains to be anywhere close to "packed". Let alone making you feel "like cattle". This kinda already undermines your point. It is true though that during those peak times, on those lines, the system is over capacity. And this is where working for a company that has flexible working hours and that allows work from home helps tremendously. While this is still not widespread, there are active policy campaigns to push more businesses to enact the same measures - exactly to ease congestion in those peak times. So the problem is not structural, and there is a clear direction that can improve things. Furthermore, even today with some planning and knowledge you can avoid the worst of the congestion (see my point about reach in my first comment). Anyway, to answer your question: no, I don't enjoy packed subways, as I don't enjoy being stuck in traffic, or being robbed at gunpoint. But to me (your question asked whether "_I_ enjoy packed subways") it really does not matter, because both are things that I normally do not experience.