5 ms·

If you liked Deux Ex, I highly recommend checking out Prey (the 2017 one) and Dishonored. They share the same game design philosophy, the so called "immersive s

If you liked Deux Ex, I highly recommend checking out Prey (the 2017 one) and Dishonored. They share the same game design philosophy, the so called "immersive sim".

elteto 7y ago
I have played Dishonored quite a bit too! Just never to completion :) I think Dishonored has some of the best gameplay mechanics ever and it is also really immersive. Prey I've never played, but I'll check it out. Ty!
- Trasmatta 7y ago
  Definitely check out Dishonored 2, as well, I think it's even better than the first one! There are many more options for non lethal playthroughs and there are two optional characters. I've played it from start to finish about 8 times, and never get tired of it. Prey is fantastic too, and is from the same developer (Arkane Studios). It has quite a bit in common with System Shock, which was one of the earliest immersive sims.
  - elteto 7y ago
    I've been watching some Dishonored 2 and Prey gameplay videos based on the recommendation and they look great! Will definitely try them.
    - zdkl 7y ago
      I'll pile on the Dishonored love thread: the mechanics and level design are world class, well worth your time in themselves. But the amazing parts are the stories and storytelling. You get to see both sides of every argument, and if you care to go through it again making different choices you'll experience the same stories but with a meaningfully different connotations. That's not even getting into how the extensions/stand alone DLCs complement the main storylines. TL;dr: If you've got 30-40h go crawling around Dishonored's universe a couple times. (Go Arkane studios!)
  - msh 7y ago
    I loved the first dishonered. I found the story quite boring in the second one.
on_and_off 7y ago
and when you are trough with these, the original deus ex is still an awesome game. The main thing that got very old between the game release and nowadays is that conspiracy theory were a joke in 2000, but twenty years later they are taken very seriously by way too many people, including the current US president. Also, this kind of game is often called "immersive sim", it has seen a mini resurgence in the last years. Breath of the wild fits in that genre as well, so does MGS5 or Rimworld. They are all very different from Deus Ex, so it really depends on what you liked in that game.
- Trasmatta 7y ago
  Yeah, the original Deus Ex is still one of my all time favorites. It's a bit harder to go back to now, but it's still fun, especially if you use a few mods to modernize things. (I prefer the GMDX overhaul mod.) It's amazing how much that game accurately predicted.
  - ethbro 7y ago
    The original Deus Ex is still an approachable and fun game from a gameplay perspective, because so many of its gameplay choices became mainstream. And the story? Timelier every year.
    - j9461701 7y ago
      I'm not someone who has a problem with older games - I've gone back and had a blast with System Shock 2, Baldur's Gate, Mechwarriors 2/3/4, Thief, Planescape Torment, etc. relatively recently. But Deus Ex is one of the few classics that I just can't get to click. It just feels too clunky and ugly, with a lot of the mechanics coming across as ...not to my preferences let's say. Even after I've completed the whole campaign two times over I still just don't "get it". As for the plot getting timelier, to be honest it still just came across as conspiracy gibberish to my ear. I dunno, maybe I'm just not smart enough for it.
      - ethbro 7y ago
throwanem 7y ago
Prey is good, but it draws much more inspiration from the System Shock 2/Bioshock style of game than from the Deus Ex series. Having finished both it and DX:HR, I wouldn't consider them all that similar. Among other significant differences, Prey carries on the Shock tradition of having the player generally (if not always) on the back foot in combat, forced by resource constraints to approach even the most trivial engagement with care and wherever possible find alternatives to combat, while DX:HR continues that series' very different tradition of rewarding an even moderately prepared player with the ability to treat fighting as first recourse rather than final option. That said, and while there's a lot about Prey I didn't so much care for, the microgravity segments are worth the price of admission all by themselves. I've never seen another FPS even attempt such an ambitious style of play as a core mechanic, much less succeed so well at it.
friendlybus 7y ago
I remember when they called that genre the 'open world RPG'.
- Trasmatta 7y ago
  Immersive sims and open world RPGs are not the same thing at all. Immersive sims date all the way back to Ultima Underworld in 1992. They share some similar things to open world RPGs, but are distinct things.
  - friendlybus 7y ago
    Warren Spector dates back to Ultima, but the term has only been advertised since 2017. Crysis 1 fits all the criteria of an 'immersive sim', believable world, consistent game rules, pick your own way through, apparently isn't an immersive sim. STALKER despite it's similarities to Crysis apparently is an immersive sim. The king of open world RPGs, Elder scrolls is an immersive sim (apparently), Elder Scrolls: Oblivion. Despite that being heavily scripted and containing mostly linear dungeons. Fallout 3 is an open world RPG on the list too. Watch Dogs 'should' be on that list, why it isn't doesn't make any sense. I could argue Morrowind or GTA V should be on there, depending on where you draw the line on scripting. The term is a bunch of marketing fluff that isn't connected to sense.
    - Trasmatta 7y ago
      The term immersive sim has existed for decades now. Here's an article from 2000 talking about it: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131523/postmortem_ion_storms_deus_ex.php https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131523/postmortem_ion... It is a fairly loose concept though, of course. Plenty of games have "immersive sim" aspects. Even games like Breath of the Wild or the latest Hitman games. But there are open world RPGs that don't match the immersive sim philosophy, and immersive sims that don't have an open world.
      - friendlybus 7y ago
        That article is of Deus Ex and is written by Warren Spector, pretty much the only guy pushing it until 2017.

If you liked Deux Ex, I highly recommend checking out Prey (the 2017 one) and Dishonored. They share the same game design philosophy, the so called "immersive sim".

elteto 7y ago

I have played Dishonored quite a bit too! Just never to completion :) I think Dishonored has some of the best gameplay mechanics ever and it is also really immersive. Prey I've never played, but I'll check it out. Ty!

Trasmatta 7y ago
Definitely check out Dishonored 2, as well, I think it's even better than the first one! There are many more options for non lethal playthroughs and there are two optional characters. I've played it from start to finish about 8 times, and never get tired of it. Prey is fantastic too, and is from the same developer (Arkane Studios). It has quite a bit in common with System Shock, which was one of the earliest immersive sims.
- elteto 7y ago
  I've been watching some Dishonored 2 and Prey gameplay videos based on the recommendation and they look great! Will definitely try them.
  - zdkl 7y ago
    I'll pile on the Dishonored love thread: the mechanics and level design are world class, well worth your time in themselves. But the amazing parts are the stories and storytelling. You get to see both sides of every argument, and if you care to go through it again making different choices you'll experience the same stories but with a meaningfully different connotations. That's not even getting into how the extensions/stand alone DLCs complement the main storylines. TL;dr: If you've got 30-40h go crawling around Dishonored's universe a couple times. (Go Arkane studios!)
- msh 7y ago
  I loved the first dishonered. I found the story quite boring in the second one.

on_and_off 7y ago

and when you are trough with these, the original deus ex is still an awesome game. The main thing that got very old between the game release and nowadays is that conspiracy theory were a joke in 2000, but twenty years later they are taken very seriously by way too many people, including the current US president. Also, this kind of game is often called "immersive sim", it has seen a mini resurgence in the last years. Breath of the wild fits in that genre as well, so does MGS5 or Rimworld. They are all very different from Deus Ex, so it really depends on what you liked in that game.

Trasmatta 7y ago
Yeah, the original Deus Ex is still one of my all time favorites. It's a bit harder to go back to now, but it's still fun, especially if you use a few mods to modernize things. (I prefer the GMDX overhaul mod.) It's amazing how much that game accurately predicted.
- ethbro 7y ago
  The original Deus Ex is still an approachable and fun game from a gameplay perspective, because so many of its gameplay choices became mainstream. And the story? Timelier every year.
  - j9461701 7y ago
    I'm not someone who has a problem with older games - I've gone back and had a blast with System Shock 2, Baldur's Gate, Mechwarriors 2/3/4, Thief, Planescape Torment, etc. relatively recently. But Deus Ex is one of the few classics that I just can't get to click. It just feels too clunky and ugly, with a lot of the mechanics coming across as ...not to my preferences let's say. Even after I've completed the whole campaign two times over I still just don't "get it". As for the plot getting timelier, to be honest it still just came across as conspiracy gibberish to my ear. I dunno, maybe I'm just not smart enough for it.
    - ethbro 7y ago

throwanem 7y ago

Prey is good, but it draws much more inspiration from the System Shock 2/Bioshock style of game than from the Deus Ex series. Having finished both it and DX:HR, I wouldn't consider them all that similar. Among other significant differences, Prey carries on the Shock tradition of having the player generally (if not always) on the back foot in combat, forced by resource constraints to approach even the most trivial engagement with care and wherever possible find alternatives to combat, while DX:HR continues that series' very different tradition of rewarding an even moderately prepared player with the ability to treat fighting as first recourse rather than final option. That said, and while there's a lot about Prey I didn't so much care for, the microgravity segments are worth the price of admission all by themselves. I've never seen another FPS even attempt such an ambitious style of play as a core mechanic, much less succeed so well at it.

friendlybus 7y ago

I remember when they called that genre the 'open world RPG'.

Trasmatta 7y ago
Immersive sims and open world RPGs are not the same thing at all. Immersive sims date all the way back to Ultima Underworld in 1992. They share some similar things to open world RPGs, but are distinct things.
- friendlybus 7y ago
  Warren Spector dates back to Ultima, but the term has only been advertised since 2017. Crysis 1 fits all the criteria of an 'immersive sim', believable world, consistent game rules, pick your own way through, apparently isn't an immersive sim. STALKER despite it's similarities to Crysis apparently is an immersive sim. The king of open world RPGs, Elder scrolls is an immersive sim (apparently), Elder Scrolls: Oblivion. Despite that being heavily scripted and containing mostly linear dungeons. Fallout 3 is an open world RPG on the list too. Watch Dogs 'should' be on that list, why it isn't doesn't make any sense. I could argue Morrowind or GTA V should be on there, depending on where you draw the line on scripting. The term is a bunch of marketing fluff that isn't connected to sense.
  - Trasmatta 7y ago
    The term immersive sim has existed for decades now. Here's an article from 2000 talking about it: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131523/postmortem_ion_storms_deus_ex.php https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131523/postmortem_ion... It is a fairly loose concept though, of course. Plenty of games have "immersive sim" aspects. Even games like Breath of the Wild or the latest Hitman games. But there are open world RPGs that don't match the immersive sim philosophy, and immersive sims that don't have an open world.
    - friendlybus 7y ago
      That article is of Deus Ex and is written by Warren Spector, pretty much the only guy pushing it until 2017.