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Damn it! I live in Quebec, this province makes everything extremely complicated and then wonders why most companies don't want to deal with them and most people

Damn it! I live in Quebec, this province makes everything extremely complicated and then wonders why most companies don't want to deal with them and most people leave. Went to buy insurance, couldn't because ToS lists countries couldn't do business with includes, Sadi, Iran, Iraq and Quebec. Most Canadian's know to live in this province only if you can maximize the gains from it. Buying a first time house, starting a family, and or immigrating to Canada.

Angostura 7y ago
It's not clear to me how creating a directory of local online businesses in any way makes anything "extremely complicated"
- ckdarby 7y ago
  > first step It starts with this and then could become if you're not apart of the list you're going to have "more problems". What other province is doing this? In my opinion this makes it more complicated already. It always starts with a first step, Bill 101 exists to protect the French culture. Now people actively use it as an exploit against companies. I've known people who use Bill 101 to have documents provided in French just because they didn't like what the company was doing and for no other reason than to make them have to do it.
  - oldiob 7y ago
    I guess you're not French Canadian if you think that way
    - ckdarby 7y ago
      Think what way? That Bill 101 exists to protect the culture or that people actively exploit it?
  - jefft255 7y ago
    Of all the unintended/bad consequences of bill 101, I’m not sure about this one. Maybe you witnessed something but I’d be surprised if that was a regular thing. Also, depending on the context this could be a very legitimate request; how is anyone supposed to know the intent of someone asking for a translation?
    - ckdarby 7y ago
      Multiple different times, different companies, different people and knowing the intent because they either told me point blank or I asked.
      - jefft255 7y ago
        Yes I understand that you know the intent; but are you suggesting that we shouldn't mandate businesses to hand out some documents in French because a few people you know are assholes? Do you realize that there is a reason that this law exists and that people could legitimately want to ask for documents in French?
        ckdarby 7y ago
        > Do you realize that there is a reason that this law exists and that people could legitimately want to ask for documents in French? I don't see where my comment is saying that individuals shouldn't be provided the documents in French. I'm only discussing what I observed and further providing context when it was suggested it doesn't happen often and it could be legitimate. Equally it might not be legitimate. It is actually fairly common reply I get when I mention it can be abused.
        jefft255 7y ago
        Ok then I misread what you were trying to say. I wish Bill 101 wasn't abused (like the Italian restaurant scandal thing). Sadly, as with most laws, people will always find a way to twist it...
  - igrekel 7y ago
    Most of the issues and why a lot of things are not offered in Quebec is rarely because of bill 101 or language in general. It is not difficult to get something translated and offer it in a binlingual version. Heck, countries with much smaller populations get a localized version of international products. Usually, at least when i was in insurance, it is because of legal and regulatory reason. While the law systems in Canada is based on the common law, the law system in Quebec is based on the french civil code. This had repercussions on the way a lot of regulation is thought about. So when it was time to get our products ready for Canada, we had to do a few special cases for Quebec. My guess is that a lot of suppliers just overlook it or do not want to perform the appropriate checks and adaptations because they are not organized in a way to handle this distinction inside a country.
    - mgbmtl 7y ago
      There are also stronger consumer direction laws. Good for us, but yeah, more legal checks to do :)
      - nickff 7y ago
        Consumer protection laws are only good for the citizenry if and when the regulations protect the consumer more than additional competition would.
    - selimthegrim 7y ago
      That's never stopped companies in Louisiana.
  - thbr99 7y ago
    I got the Covid-19 care guide in my mail box by the Québec government in French only because of Bill 101. Language politics trumps even in case of emergency communications in Québec.
    - sunkenvicar 7y ago
      ROC got it bilingual from the feds.
    - cgpcraig 7y ago
      It's nice that Legault is doing his conferences in French and English though.
  - Voloskaya 6y ago
    Thank you for this perfect example of the slippery slope fallacy.
- monsieurgaufre 7y ago
  It's not. In fact, this initiative is laughed at by most people here (in QC) as it is mostly exactly the same thing that "La toile du Québec" was 20 years ago. The government (and a few not very liked but well connected people) thaught it would be a way for people to get infos and to buy local. It's not very good. The parent just wants to brightly shine his anti-quebec bias.
StreamBright 7y ago
I heard great things about the paper-based bank system. :)
aga98mtl 7y ago
What type of insurance can't you get in Quebec? Insurance is usually cheaper in Quebec compared to its peers (Ontario & BC).
- betaby 7y ago
  Flight cancellation insurance, for example. Personal car insurance in QC is cheaper partially because SAAQ is basically as co-insurer for the car incident disabilities. Some personal insurances are cheaper in QC. Commercial insurances most of the time is the over way around.
Melting_Harps 7y ago
> Went to buy insurance, couldn't because ToS lists countries couldn't do business with includes, Sadi, Iran, Iraq and Quebec. What company is this out of curiosity? To think they see nations entrenched by Wahhabism, or Shariah Law to be on equal footing with Quebec when assessing their threat analysis', it seems like quite a leap in risk management strategies. I'm told Quebec is a lovely place, to visit... mainly for the reasons you described. And the only working relationships I've had with people from there were 50/50 on relative polar positions: as in one of the most short sighted, lazy entitled person to deal with, to a pretty good worker who showed motivation to want to be part of a team and be a part of something that mattered and willing to adapt to their given situation/role. Oddly enough, they were a couple. Also worth noting the post that Amazon's DC in France look to be mothballed, too: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/amazon-is-at-a-standstill-in-france-so-is-the-legal-system/ar-BB131CuY https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/amazon-is-at-a-standsti... Their Québécois may sound odd when compared to the Old World, but it seems they're just as 'French' in practice. Maybe we'll see Yellow Vests to a street near you.
- nogabebop23 7y ago
  >> To think they see nations entrenched by Wahhabism, or Shariah Law to be on equal footing with Quebec It's not this - the laws around insurance, contests and many contracts are different than the rest of Canada; many companies find it's not cost-effective to have to support another jurisdiction for the potential customer base so they just exclude it.
amiga_500 7y ago
I live in quebec. My kids go to a nice school. I live in a nice neighborhood. I get the nice metro to work. Or I cycle on the nice cycle network. I got my covid test, and result. I saw a really good doctor the same day. The same doctor rang me back 2 days later to check up on me at home. My kids would normally be in and out of a fantastic, modern library, or at the pool, or playing soccer in the great parks. Sadly the lockdown has temporarily stopped that, but it will be back. If I go outside I'm not avoiding the homeless in huge numbers. Rent and housing are not absurdly expensive, allowing affordability for families. Yes Quebec has areas to improve, but it's a great place. If being a great place for companies made for a good society then the UK and USA wouldn't be on their knees.
- betaby 7y ago
  ...and my kinds go to overcrowded 'secondaire' (with very questionable teaching quality all across the QC, yes I seen articles praising how good is QC in math) ...and I often stuck on overcrowded orange line (last year was was the worst in delays) ...had to travel for the medical reasons abroad, wait times in QC are really bad if you are not dying right now ...I also don't specifically avoid homeless people, but sometimes it hard to take cash on Sainte-Catherine - people doing drugs near indoor ATMs in the winter because they are heated ...and my kids also like BAnQ library, yet ~about a year ago all soft chairs/sofas were replaced by plastic, because BAnQ is partially a homeless shelter But hey, enjoy your Quebec, Montreal specifically, as I see. ...and I will try to overcome my issues, in my Quebec.
  - amiga_500 7y ago
    Montreal homeless issue is nothing like the USA situation. The orange line is a dream compared to the London tube.
    - betaby 7y ago
      That's a very Canadian reply - to compare with the worst examples, especially US ones. Not too many 3rd world countries can 'beat' US in homeless situation.
thbr99 7y ago
Skilled immigration to Canada via Québec takes 3 years in the fastest category. In other categories it takes 4 to 6 years. Immigration to the rest of Canada takes only 6 months via Express Entry. Québec's immigration system is the slowest, red taped and infamous for its bureaucracy and mismanagement. They can't even get a grip on senior home issues with Covid-19 let alone have an online local shopping site. The province's bureaucracy has no limits.

Angostura 7y ago

It's not clear to me how creating a directory of local online businesses in any way makes anything "extremely complicated"

ckdarby 7y ago
> first step It starts with this and then could become if you're not apart of the list you're going to have "more problems". What other province is doing this? In my opinion this makes it more complicated already. It always starts with a first step, Bill 101 exists to protect the French culture. Now people actively use it as an exploit against companies. I've known people who use Bill 101 to have documents provided in French just because they didn't like what the company was doing and for no other reason than to make them have to do it.
- oldiob 7y ago
  I guess you're not French Canadian if you think that way
  - ckdarby 7y ago
    Think what way? That Bill 101 exists to protect the culture or that people actively exploit it?
- jefft255 7y ago
  Of all the unintended/bad consequences of bill 101, I’m not sure about this one. Maybe you witnessed something but I’d be surprised if that was a regular thing. Also, depending on the context this could be a very legitimate request; how is anyone supposed to know the intent of someone asking for a translation?
  - ckdarby 7y ago
    Multiple different times, different companies, different people and knowing the intent because they either told me point blank or I asked.
    - jefft255 7y ago
      Yes I understand that you know the intent; but are you suggesting that we shouldn't mandate businesses to hand out some documents in French because a few people you know are assholes? Do you realize that there is a reason that this law exists and that people could legitimately want to ask for documents in French?
      - ckdarby 7y ago
        > Do you realize that there is a reason that this law exists and that people could legitimately want to ask for documents in French? I don't see where my comment is saying that individuals shouldn't be provided the documents in French. I'm only discussing what I observed and further providing context when it was suggested it doesn't happen often and it could be legitimate. Equally it might not be legitimate. It is actually fairly common reply I get when I mention it can be abused.
        jefft255 7y ago
        Ok then I misread what you were trying to say. I wish Bill 101 wasn't abused (like the Italian restaurant scandal thing). Sadly, as with most laws, people will always find a way to twist it...
- igrekel 7y ago
  Most of the issues and why a lot of things are not offered in Quebec is rarely because of bill 101 or language in general. It is not difficult to get something translated and offer it in a binlingual version. Heck, countries with much smaller populations get a localized version of international products. Usually, at least when i was in insurance, it is because of legal and regulatory reason. While the law systems in Canada is based on the common law, the law system in Quebec is based on the french civil code. This had repercussions on the way a lot of regulation is thought about. So when it was time to get our products ready for Canada, we had to do a few special cases for Quebec. My guess is that a lot of suppliers just overlook it or do not want to perform the appropriate checks and adaptations because they are not organized in a way to handle this distinction inside a country.
  - mgbmtl 7y ago
    There are also stronger consumer direction laws. Good for us, but yeah, more legal checks to do :)
    - nickff 7y ago
      Consumer protection laws are only good for the citizenry if and when the regulations protect the consumer more than additional competition would.
  - selimthegrim 7y ago
    That's never stopped companies in Louisiana.
- thbr99 7y ago
  I got the Covid-19 care guide in my mail box by the Québec government in French only because of Bill 101. Language politics trumps even in case of emergency communications in Québec.
  - sunkenvicar 7y ago
    ROC got it bilingual from the feds.
  - cgpcraig 7y ago
    It's nice that Legault is doing his conferences in French and English though.
- Voloskaya 6y ago
  Thank you for this perfect example of the slippery slope fallacy.
monsieurgaufre 7y ago
It's not. In fact, this initiative is laughed at by most people here (in QC) as it is mostly exactly the same thing that "La toile du Québec" was 20 years ago. The government (and a few not very liked but well connected people) thaught it would be a way for people to get infos and to buy local. It's not very good. The parent just wants to brightly shine his anti-quebec bias.

StreamBright 7y ago

I heard great things about the paper-based bank system. :)

aga98mtl 7y ago

What type of insurance can't you get in Quebec? Insurance is usually cheaper in Quebec compared to its peers (Ontario & BC).

betaby 7y ago
Flight cancellation insurance, for example. Personal car insurance in QC is cheaper partially because SAAQ is basically as co-insurer for the car incident disabilities. Some personal insurances are cheaper in QC. Commercial insurances most of the time is the over way around.

Melting_Harps 7y ago

> Went to buy insurance, couldn't because ToS lists countries couldn't do business with includes, Sadi, Iran, Iraq and Quebec. What company is this out of curiosity? To think they see nations entrenched by Wahhabism, or Shariah Law to be on equal footing with Quebec when assessing their threat analysis', it seems like quite a leap in risk management strategies. I'm told Quebec is a lovely place, to visit... mainly for the reasons you described. And the only working relationships I've had with people from there were 50/50 on relative polar positions: as in one of the most short sighted, lazy entitled person to deal with, to a pretty good worker who showed motivation to want to be part of a team and be a part of something that mattered and willing to adapt to their given situation/role. Oddly enough, they were a couple. Also worth noting the post that Amazon's DC in France look to be mothballed, too: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/amazon-is-at-a-standstill-in-france-so-is-the-legal-system/ar-BB131CuY https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/amazon-is-at-a-standsti... Their Québécois may sound odd when compared to the Old World, but it seems they're just as 'French' in practice. Maybe we'll see Yellow Vests to a street near you.

nogabebop23 7y ago
>> To think they see nations entrenched by Wahhabism, or Shariah Law to be on equal footing with Quebec It's not this - the laws around insurance, contests and many contracts are different than the rest of Canada; many companies find it's not cost-effective to have to support another jurisdiction for the potential customer base so they just exclude it.

amiga_500 7y ago

I live in quebec. My kids go to a nice school. I live in a nice neighborhood. I get the nice metro to work. Or I cycle on the nice cycle network. I got my covid test, and result. I saw a really good doctor the same day. The same doctor rang me back 2 days later to check up on me at home. My kids would normally be in and out of a fantastic, modern library, or at the pool, or playing soccer in the great parks. Sadly the lockdown has temporarily stopped that, but it will be back. If I go outside I'm not avoiding the homeless in huge numbers. Rent and housing are not absurdly expensive, allowing affordability for families. Yes Quebec has areas to improve, but it's a great place. If being a great place for companies made for a good society then the UK and USA wouldn't be on their knees.

betaby 7y ago
...and my kinds go to overcrowded 'secondaire' (with very questionable teaching quality all across the QC, yes I seen articles praising how good is QC in math) ...and I often stuck on overcrowded orange line (last year was was the worst in delays) ...had to travel for the medical reasons abroad, wait times in QC are really bad if you are not dying right now ...I also don't specifically avoid homeless people, but sometimes it hard to take cash on Sainte-Catherine - people doing drugs near indoor ATMs in the winter because they are heated ...and my kids also like BAnQ library, yet ~about a year ago all soft chairs/sofas were replaced by plastic, because BAnQ is partially a homeless shelter But hey, enjoy your Quebec, Montreal specifically, as I see. ...and I will try to overcome my issues, in my Quebec.
- amiga_500 7y ago
  Montreal homeless issue is nothing like the USA situation. The orange line is a dream compared to the London tube.
  - betaby 7y ago
    That's a very Canadian reply - to compare with the worst examples, especially US ones. Not too many 3rd world countries can 'beat' US in homeless situation.

thbr99 7y ago

Skilled immigration to Canada via Québec takes 3 years in the fastest category. In other categories it takes 4 to 6 years. Immigration to the rest of Canada takes only 6 months via Express Entry. Québec's immigration system is the slowest, red taped and infamous for its bureaucracy and mismanagement. They can't even get a grip on senior home issues with Covid-19 let alone have an online local shopping site. The province's bureaucracy has no limits.