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This is more a stand on principles against governments rather than if the app is actually malicious in nature. People are rightly making a stand that a project

This is more a stand on principles against governments rather than if the app is actually malicious in nature. People are rightly making a stand that a project of this nature should require at the bare minimum for source code to release concurrently with protection laws. Blame successive governments if individuals aren't overly welcoming to putting their blind faith in promises of a government that has let them down in the past.

lysp 6y ago
Exactly this. The Aus Gov - especially the current one is massively lacking in trust. Encryption laws, metadata laws. Scope creep on metadata access (ie local councils, horse racing bodies). Lack of transparent reporting when these laws are in use. Raids on journalists. Not to mention their lack of transparency over bushfires, sports grants, angus taylor's family connections with mining / paying $90m? for water to associated company. Ministers failing to declare gifts granted by airlines because they fell into previous parliament and not current one. Climate change vs mining interests. Loading the grid management team so they simply push renewables down the road instead of taking action to get wind/solar take up. Marking spin vs real substance in every single press conference from all the top federal ministers. The PM waiting for states to take charge of quarantine measures so he didn't get the blame for bringing those in (and get bad PR) early in the covid-19 crisis before we knew how bad it was. School closures. Ruby Princess. So after all that they want to trust us with an privacy breaching app because it's the right thing to do? I wouldn't install a hello-world built by current government even if my life depended on it.
- NewLogic 6y ago
  To put it in words they will understand "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear"
- pfortuny 6y ago
  You may be right (probably are, as I am from Spain). But you should not focus on this specific government: the dangers of overstepping are great whatever the color or the chirality or even the deeds of a government.
  - FridgeSeal 6y ago
    On the contrary o think we should very much be focusing g on this government: Peter Dutton in particular has pushed repeatedly for increasingly authoritarian measures. I’m super cautious about handing over data or enabling him at all.
  - eskaytwo 6y ago
    This specific government are the ones releasing the app and telling people to “trust us”.
  - hamlsandwich 6y ago
    I know what you're saying, but we _also_ need to focus on this specific government, because they make the situation bad from the get-go, rather than just potentially bad.
- ifthenorelse 6y ago
  Agreed -- trust has to be earned, but definitely hasn't been. Quite the opposite. I thought it was very unfortunate that the Australian Nurses' Association was asked to provide their endorsement of the government BS spin at the launch of the app. Wasn't surprised that the AMA did though. The promotional video is hilarious -- indistinguishable from an episode of "Utopia" -- LOL.

lysp 6y ago

Exactly this. The Aus Gov - especially the current one is massively lacking in trust. Encryption laws, metadata laws. Scope creep on metadata access (ie local councils, horse racing bodies). Lack of transparent reporting when these laws are in use. Raids on journalists. Not to mention their lack of transparency over bushfires, sports grants, angus taylor's family connections with mining / paying $90m? for water to associated company. Ministers failing to declare gifts granted by airlines because they fell into previous parliament and not current one. Climate change vs mining interests. Loading the grid management team so they simply push renewables down the road instead of taking action to get wind/solar take up. Marking spin vs real substance in every single press conference from all the top federal ministers. The PM waiting for states to take charge of quarantine measures so he didn't get the blame for bringing those in (and get bad PR) early in the covid-19 crisis before we knew how bad it was. School closures. Ruby Princess. So after all that they want to trust us with an privacy breaching app because it's the right thing to do? I wouldn't install a hello-world built by current government even if my life depended on it.

NewLogic 6y ago
To put it in words they will understand "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear"
pfortuny 6y ago
You may be right (probably are, as I am from Spain). But you should not focus on this specific government: the dangers of overstepping are great whatever the color or the chirality or even the deeds of a government.
- FridgeSeal 6y ago
  On the contrary o think we should very much be focusing g on this government: Peter Dutton in particular has pushed repeatedly for increasingly authoritarian measures. I’m super cautious about handing over data or enabling him at all.
- eskaytwo 6y ago
  This specific government are the ones releasing the app and telling people to “trust us”.
- hamlsandwich 6y ago
  I know what you're saying, but we _also_ need to focus on this specific government, because they make the situation bad from the get-go, rather than just potentially bad.
ifthenorelse 6y ago
Agreed -- trust has to be earned, but definitely hasn't been. Quite the opposite. I thought it was very unfortunate that the Australian Nurses' Association was asked to provide their endorsement of the government BS spin at the launch of the app. Wasn't surprised that the AMA did though. The promotional video is hilarious -- indistinguishable from an episode of "Utopia" -- LOL.