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I suppose that this "right-wing Tory supporting organ of Rupert Murdoch" is "effectively defend[ing] Corbyn and his policies" for a simple reason - it's fun to

by jpz 6y ago

I suppose that this "right-wing Tory supporting organ of Rupert Murdoch" is "effectively defend[ing] Corbyn and his policies" for a simple reason - it's fun to stir the Labour party up. In truth, electorally the Tories would far rather face Corbyn and the tankies at each election. Starmer looks like he's going to be a far greater challenge. It is good however that there is a functioning opposition that will apply effective scrutiny now, as that is good for governance, whether you're on the left or the right of things.

jmeister 6y ago
Same thing happened this time in the US, with Trump/GOP and Bernie
pmachinery 6y ago
> I suppose that this "right-wing Tory supporting organ of Rupert Murdoch" is "effectively defend[ing] Corbyn and his policies" for a simple reason No, as I stated in that sentence you are quoting from, that is exactly what they are not doing. > In truth, electorally the Tories would far rather face Corbyn and the tankies at each election. They faced Corbyn less than three years ago and failed to secure enough MPs to form a government by themselves and had to bribe a loony right-wing extremist party with £1,000,000,000 of British taxpayers' money to grab power[0]. In that election Corbyn received a (far) higher percentage of the vote than every winning Prime Minister of the previous three elections, including Tony Blair in 2005. So no, what you said is not even remotely the truth, which is exactly why so much time, energy and money was spent trying to destroy/remove Corbyn. [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-dup-deal-billion-pound-bribe-magic-money-tree-criticism-latest-a7809416.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-d...
sudosysgen 6y ago
Corbyn is absolutely not a tankie, he's a social Democrat. If you've learn a bit of history, tell me, once capitalism starts degenerating and the left gets kneecap by the center, what exactly is it that happened? What happened when the SPD alienated the KPD and it's own left wing in order to triangulate itself into having slightly more votes? What you're seeing is party infighting that likely cost Corbyn the 2018 election, and if you think that suppressing the left is going to be a viable tactic as you just need to compromise ever more with the right, I'd suggest opening your favourite history manual to Germany in 1929 :). Because that really, really doesn't end well.
- jpz 6y ago
  He may not be a tankie, but all his best friends are, such as Milne, etc. If you note my grammatical construction I did not call him a tankie. Regarding the Weimar Republic, I don’t know the history So your analogy is wasted on me, but to suggest the Tories are proto-Nazis seems absurd to me.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    You should read about it. The Tories may not be proto-fascist, but the willingness of the entire political system to compromise towards the right is what meant that fascist uprisings were successful in the 1930s and not when they tried earlier (it was shut down by the KPD and SPD prior to it)

by jpz 6y ago

jmeister 6y ago

Same thing happened this time in the US, with Trump/GOP and Bernie

pmachinery 6y ago

> I suppose that this "right-wing Tory supporting organ of Rupert Murdoch" is "effectively defend[ing] Corbyn and his policies" for a simple reason No, as I stated in that sentence you are quoting from, that is exactly what they are not doing. > In truth, electorally the Tories would far rather face Corbyn and the tankies at each election. They faced Corbyn less than three years ago and failed to secure enough MPs to form a government by themselves and had to bribe a loony right-wing extremist party with £1,000,000,000 of British taxpayers' money to grab power[0]. In that election Corbyn received a (far) higher percentage of the vote than every winning Prime Minister of the previous three elections, including Tony Blair in 2005. So no, what you said is not even remotely the truth, which is exactly why so much time, energy and money was spent trying to destroy/remove Corbyn. [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-dup-deal-billion-pound-bribe-magic-money-tree-criticism-latest-a7809416.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-d...

sudosysgen 6y ago

Corbyn is absolutely not a tankie, he's a social Democrat. If you've learn a bit of history, tell me, once capitalism starts degenerating and the left gets kneecap by the center, what exactly is it that happened? What happened when the SPD alienated the KPD and it's own left wing in order to triangulate itself into having slightly more votes? What you're seeing is party infighting that likely cost Corbyn the 2018 election, and if you think that suppressing the left is going to be a viable tactic as you just need to compromise ever more with the right, I'd suggest opening your favourite history manual to Germany in 1929 :). Because that really, really doesn't end well.

jpz 6y ago
He may not be a tankie, but all his best friends are, such as Milne, etc. If you note my grammatical construction I did not call him a tankie. Regarding the Weimar Republic, I don’t know the history So your analogy is wasted on me, but to suggest the Tories are proto-Nazis seems absurd to me.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  You should read about it. The Tories may not be proto-fascist, but the willingness of the entire political system to compromise towards the right is what meant that fascist uprisings were successful in the 1930s and not when they tried earlier (it was shut down by the KPD and SPD prior to it)