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Likewise as it fails, their higher fatality rate helps show what was avoided. Although most countries under lock down could not handle the peak hospitalizations

Likewise as it fails, their higher fatality rate helps show what was avoided. Although most countries under lock down could not handle the peak hospitalizations that Sweden can which would mean far more deaths. And one would need to compare Sweden's results to similar countries like others in Scandinavia. And at the moment Sweden's death rate is 6 to 10 times its neighbors[1]. So a success or failure in Sweden is extremely informative but not completely transferable. Swedes are pretty generous conducting this experiment on their population for the edification of the survivors. [1]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/new-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&time=2020-03-08..&country=SWE+NOR+DNK+FIN https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/new-covid-deaths-per-mill...

koheripbal 6y ago
Sweden doesn't have a particularly high number of ventilators per capita, so their ability to manage the peak is not necessarily much higher than other nations.
bitexploder 6y ago
Thing is we know zero contact means no Virus. But what lives beyond that? Who knows what is right. The morals and ethics of this, confounded with our knowledge and technology is profoundly complex. People are failing to grasp nuance here.
- IAmEveryone 6y ago
  > But what lives beyond that? What lives beyond what? > The morals and ethics of this, confounded with our knowledge and technology is profoundly complex. "complex" is just latin for "put together". What relevance does the complexity of life have for its value? > People are failing to grasp nuance here. I am comfortable with the lack of nuance inherent in trying to avoid death.
  - bitexploder 6y ago
    The floor is low. Absolute isolation is impossible. The nuance is that we lack so much knowledge to make a less restrictive choice. We basically are not advanced enough to act with clarity beyond broad moves. These are just pent up ramblings. Too much isolation. It’s the right thing. But with better knowledge and systems this would not be needed. We have the tech. Maybe we should not.
  - 6nf 6y ago
    > I am comfortable with the lack of nuance inherent in trying to avoid death. What do you think about the idea of dropping the speed limit on all roads to 10 miles per hour in order to save many lives every year?
    - alasdairking 6y ago
      It's a very good plan. We would have lower pollution, fewer deaths, higher living density, lower carbon emissions. It is, however, very unusual and unpopular.
      - 6nf 6y ago
        Why is it so unpopular? It will save a lot of lives, isn't that worth it?
basch 6y ago
>higher fatality rate helps show what was avoided Isn't the opposite of flattening the curve, to absorb the hit all at once. You would expect a much higher death rate for a shorter amount of time.
- foogazi 6y ago
  > You would expect a much higher death rate for a shorter amount of time. Only if surviving covid-19 provided immunization against a other infection

koheripbal 6y ago

Sweden doesn't have a particularly high number of ventilators per capita, so their ability to manage the peak is not necessarily much higher than other nations.

bitexploder 6y ago

Thing is we know zero contact means no Virus. But what lives beyond that? Who knows what is right. The morals and ethics of this, confounded with our knowledge and technology is profoundly complex. People are failing to grasp nuance here.

IAmEveryone 6y ago
> But what lives beyond that? What lives beyond what? > The morals and ethics of this, confounded with our knowledge and technology is profoundly complex. "complex" is just latin for "put together". What relevance does the complexity of life have for its value? > People are failing to grasp nuance here. I am comfortable with the lack of nuance inherent in trying to avoid death.
- bitexploder 6y ago
  The floor is low. Absolute isolation is impossible. The nuance is that we lack so much knowledge to make a less restrictive choice. We basically are not advanced enough to act with clarity beyond broad moves. These are just pent up ramblings. Too much isolation. It’s the right thing. But with better knowledge and systems this would not be needed. We have the tech. Maybe we should not.
- 6nf 6y ago
  > I am comfortable with the lack of nuance inherent in trying to avoid death. What do you think about the idea of dropping the speed limit on all roads to 10 miles per hour in order to save many lives every year?
  - alasdairking 6y ago
    It's a very good plan. We would have lower pollution, fewer deaths, higher living density, lower carbon emissions. It is, however, very unusual and unpopular.
    - 6nf 6y ago
      Why is it so unpopular? It will save a lot of lives, isn't that worth it?

basch 6y ago

>higher fatality rate helps show what was avoided Isn't the opposite of flattening the curve, to absorb the hit all at once. You would expect a much higher death rate for a shorter amount of time.

foogazi 6y ago
> You would expect a much higher death rate for a shorter amount of time. Only if surviving covid-19 provided immunization against a other infection