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It isn’t. No more so than Apple/Google can be ordered to install something on your phone already. I encourage you to read about the protocol being used. It’s no

by eli 7y ago

It isn’t. No more so than Apple/Google can be ordered to install something on your phone already. I encourage you to read about the protocol being used. It’s not perfect, but they put a lot of effort into protecting privacy. The police already can (and do!) demand cell location data from carriers to investigate crimes. Ad companies collect data from apps you use to build targeting profiles. This proposal is far more respectful of your privacy than any of that, and in the service of saving lives.

lonelappde 7y ago
The UK and French government proposals for contact tracing violate GACT privacy design.
dleslie 7y ago
> The police already can (and do!) demand cell location data from carriers to investigate crimes. Ad companies collect data from apps you use to build targeting profiles. Engaging in an act doesn't make it ethical to do. > No more so than Apple/Google can be ordered to install something on your phone already. That depends on your country of origin.
- eli 7y ago
  My point was that the government already has the ability to get location data when they want it and this contract tracing proposal doesn’t make it any easier for them. (Whether or not they should be able to do what they’re already doing is a worthy debate but unrelated to contact tracing.)
  - dleslie 7y ago
    Every additional data source makes it easier to collect the data; the vigilance needed to monitor access to one source is hard enough, but it scales poorly with additional sources. It's why we tolerate so much incursion into our privacy: the effort necessary to operate anywhere near "normal" and maintain data privacy is almost insurmountably difficult.
    - eli 7y ago
      It’s not a data source, it’s decentralized and not tied to anyone’s identity.
      - dleslie 7y ago
        That's what they said about E911.
unishark 7y ago
> Ad companies collect data from apps you use to build targeting profiles. More like a scary harbinger of what the govt could get away with rather than a counter. The extent to which browsers and phones monitor people beyond what they intentionally share has never stopped seeming crazy to me, especially given how widely accepted it is.
- eli 7y ago
  Not with the technology being proposed for contact tracing because the protocol design doesn’t permit it. There’s no central database of where you went or who you met with. The scary databases already exist and are held by various unaccountable private companies. This is true whether or not we try to implement contact tracing tech. It shouldn’t be an argument against it.

by eli 7y ago

lonelappde 7y ago

The UK and French government proposals for contact tracing violate GACT privacy design.

dleslie 7y ago

> The police already can (and do!) demand cell location data from carriers to investigate crimes. Ad companies collect data from apps you use to build targeting profiles. Engaging in an act doesn't make it ethical to do. > No more so than Apple/Google can be ordered to install something on your phone already. That depends on your country of origin.

eli 7y ago
My point was that the government already has the ability to get location data when they want it and this contract tracing proposal doesn’t make it any easier for them. (Whether or not they should be able to do what they’re already doing is a worthy debate but unrelated to contact tracing.)
- dleslie 7y ago
  Every additional data source makes it easier to collect the data; the vigilance needed to monitor access to one source is hard enough, but it scales poorly with additional sources. It's why we tolerate so much incursion into our privacy: the effort necessary to operate anywhere near "normal" and maintain data privacy is almost insurmountably difficult.
  - eli 7y ago
    It’s not a data source, it’s decentralized and not tied to anyone’s identity.
    - dleslie 7y ago
      That's what they said about E911.

unishark 7y ago

> Ad companies collect data from apps you use to build targeting profiles. More like a scary harbinger of what the govt could get away with rather than a counter. The extent to which browsers and phones monitor people beyond what they intentionally share has never stopped seeming crazy to me, especially given how widely accepted it is.

eli 7y ago
Not with the technology being proposed for contact tracing because the protocol design doesn’t permit it. There’s no central database of where you went or who you met with. The scary databases already exist and are held by various unaccountable private companies. This is true whether or not we try to implement contact tracing tech. It shouldn’t be an argument against it.