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> Maybe we really need the scalpel approach Which is what, exactly? I mean, it sounds like you just want to open that one furniture store because it's low ri

> Maybe we really need the scalpel approach Which is what, exactly? I mean, it sounds like you just want to open that one furniture store because it's low risk and small. OK, I'd get behind that, but that doesn't really fix anything real, does it? Do you argue for opening all retail shops? All restaurants? All places of business? What about the employees of those businesses we just opened? Do they have to go back to work? What if they have immunocompromised family at home? And, at the end of the day, when you open all those businesses, are people going to start buying furniture again? Probably not. Really, people aren't staying home because the government is magically telling them to. If this was really an unrealistic paradigm we'd see rampant cheating, and we don't. People are staying home because they're scared of dying. You don't fix that by changing the closure rules. You can only fix that by addressing the actual pandemic. So... maybe you should aim your scalpel at the disease instead? How much have you read about testing regimes? Have you called your congressperson to get this stuff funded?

clairity 7y ago
> "People are staying home because they're scared of dying. You don't fix that by changing the closure rules. You can only fix that by addressing the actual pandemic." no, that fear and panic was induced by a combination of political and media fervor where overstating the problem gives them more power, attention, esteem and stature. so taking away that frenzy could also reduce the fear and panic.
- cycomanic 7y ago
  [citation needed]
- dboreham 7y ago
  To be honest I didn't see any of that. I saw considerable media coverage underplaying the severity of the risk.
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  Really? Because everything I've seen from the media has massively understated how dangerous the virus is, while medical professionals and people actively dealing with this on the front lines are horrified.
selimthegrim 7y ago
The "COVID-19 informational checkpoints" that police are setting up in New Orleans would suggest otherwise
sershe 7y ago
> People are staying home because they're scared of dying. You don't fix that by changing the closure rules. No, they are not. There are huge crowds everywhere that gets reopened (or not closed) in CA, WA, FL. My favorite example is when I heard Red Rock Canyon is closed, a few days/weeks before the lockdown in NV, and it turned out to be a closure for one day because of the inability to manage the huge number of visitors on the one-way loop road. Once they closed the loop road for COVID, the trails accessible outside it became so crowded they had to close those too. They started towing cars from trailheads in WA that got crowded despite lack of legal parking, closed signs at the locked trailhead, stay at home order (including huge signs on all the highways). That is with the media fear-mongering vastly disproportionate to the actual current number of deaths (of which people would supposedly be afraid), and explicit stay at home order, in WA case.

clairity 7y ago

> "People are staying home because they're scared of dying. You don't fix that by changing the closure rules. You can only fix that by addressing the actual pandemic." no, that fear and panic was induced by a combination of political and media fervor where overstating the problem gives them more power, attention, esteem and stature. so taking away that frenzy could also reduce the fear and panic.

cycomanic 7y ago
[citation needed]
dboreham 7y ago
To be honest I didn't see any of that. I saw considerable media coverage underplaying the severity of the risk.
fzeroracer 7y ago
Really? Because everything I've seen from the media has massively understated how dangerous the virus is, while medical professionals and people actively dealing with this on the front lines are horrified.

selimthegrim 7y ago

The "COVID-19 informational checkpoints" that police are setting up in New Orleans would suggest otherwise

sershe 7y ago

> People are staying home because they're scared of dying. You don't fix that by changing the closure rules. No, they are not. There are huge crowds everywhere that gets reopened (or not closed) in CA, WA, FL. My favorite example is when I heard Red Rock Canyon is closed, a few days/weeks before the lockdown in NV, and it turned out to be a closure for one day because of the inability to manage the huge number of visitors on the one-way loop road. Once they closed the loop road for COVID, the trails accessible outside it became so crowded they had to close those too. They started towing cars from trailheads in WA that got crowded despite lack of legal parking, closed signs at the locked trailhead, stay at home order (including huge signs on all the highways). That is with the media fear-mongering vastly disproportionate to the actual current number of deaths (of which people would supposedly be afraid), and explicit stay at home order, in WA case.