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CydeWeys 7y ago
You're defining the term to be meaningless then, because it encompasses almost all employment. If we didn't shut most things down there'd be a catastrophic number of deaths in this country, after which people would be socially distancing on their own out of pure raw fear. Stores that don't sell groceries were never going to pull through this doing well under any scenario. People were always going to radically curtail their going out and spending, one way or another.
- mberning 7y ago
  We don’t know for a fact what would happen without these restrictions. At this point the data available does not point to a clear conclusion either way. Some countries and states that imposed the harshest restrictions are being hit the hardest. Some with little to no restrictions are faring well. It is dishonest to say that without restrictions a disaster will happen. Nobody knows and the observed data does not support such a statement.
  - cycomanic 7y ago
    You are either dishonest or need to learn about correlation and causation. So tell me what would have happened in New York if they had not put a lock down into place? Do you seriously believe the number of dead would be similar to what we see at the moment? The whole reason why the US has now the highest death numbers is because the federal government ignored all warning signs. Maybe if there had been a plan your president would have heeded the advice he was given measures like e.g. In South Korea would have been possible. Once you are on the steep bit of the exponential, the only solution that is left is to pull the emergency break.
    - JPKab 7y ago
      The US doesn't have the highest per capita numbers. You do understand that the US population is much higher than individual European nations, right? Your entire point is ignorant and flawed. Please explain to me how other countries with higher per capita infections screwed up, since your poor grasp of the US federalist system is binding you to proper expectations of what the US Federal government is responsible for.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    I can't believe you're seriously trying to argue that we "don't know" what would've happened had these measures been put in place, when in fact we do know: A lot more people would have died. This is not humanity's first rodeo with pandemics, or social distancing measures.

You're defining the term to be meaningless then, because it encompasses almost all employment. If we didn't shut most things down there'd be a catastrophic number of deaths in this country, after which people would be socially distancing on their own out of pure raw fear. Stores that don't sell groceries were never going to pull through this doing well under any scenario. People were always going to radically curtail their going out and spending, one way or another.

mberning 7y ago
We don’t know for a fact what would happen without these restrictions. At this point the data available does not point to a clear conclusion either way. Some countries and states that imposed the harshest restrictions are being hit the hardest. Some with little to no restrictions are faring well. It is dishonest to say that without restrictions a disaster will happen. Nobody knows and the observed data does not support such a statement.
- cycomanic 7y ago
  You are either dishonest or need to learn about correlation and causation. So tell me what would have happened in New York if they had not put a lock down into place? Do you seriously believe the number of dead would be similar to what we see at the moment? The whole reason why the US has now the highest death numbers is because the federal government ignored all warning signs. Maybe if there had been a plan your president would have heeded the advice he was given measures like e.g. In South Korea would have been possible. Once you are on the steep bit of the exponential, the only solution that is left is to pull the emergency break.
  - JPKab 7y ago
    The US doesn't have the highest per capita numbers. You do understand that the US population is much higher than individual European nations, right? Your entire point is ignorant and flawed. Please explain to me how other countries with higher per capita infections screwed up, since your poor grasp of the US federalist system is binding you to proper expectations of what the US Federal government is responsible for.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  I can't believe you're seriously trying to argue that we "don't know" what would've happened had these measures been put in place, when in fact we do know: A lot more people would have died. This is not humanity's first rodeo with pandemics, or social distancing measures.