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90% of people on ventilators die. It's hard to do much worse. And with numbers like that, I think it's perfectly ethical to try anything reasonable.
by caymanjim 7y ago
90% of people on ventilators die. It's hard to do much worse. And with numbers like that, I think it's perfectly ethical to try anything reasonable.
- gus_massa 7y agoWhat is the original source of the 90%? Is it from this article: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765184 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765184 From the article: > The study included all sequentially hospitalized patients between March 1, 2020, and April 4, 2020, inclusive of these dates. > As of April 4, 2020, for patients requiring mechanical ventilation (n = 1151, 20.2%), 38 (3.3%) were discharged alive, 282 (24.5%) died, and 831 (72.2%) remained in hospital. If you ignore the 831 patients that were still in the hospital, and consider only the 38 that survived and the 282 that died, you get 282/(282+38)=88%. It is a very short time. What are the odds for people that survive more than 4 days in the hospital? Did the team this post get the better results using the same accounting method? Did they apply this method only to the people that would need a ventilator or to more people because it is cheaper and easier to setup and maintain? (IIUC they used ventilator for the worse cases anyway.) > And with numbers like that, I think it's perfectly ethical to try anything reasonable. Do you want the best possible treatment to each patient, or you prefer that each doctor tries his/her pet theory in production?