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Apple lacks this feedback loop, and their drivers are garbage. There may be exceptions, but I never had anything like the graphics glitching that the Nouveau d
by danieldk 6y ago
Apple lacks this feedback loop, and their drivers are garbage.
There may be exceptions, but I never had anything like the graphics glitching that the Nouveau drivers had or known problems that would lock up Intel GPUs every one 1-2 days or consistently in some workloads [1], or broken Intel WiFi drivers. The recent Intel driver problems literally took months 4-5 months to fix, while they show-stopping errors were in an LTS kernel release that was rolled out in various distributions.
If I have an issue with what I'm building, I can hop into a chat and immediately talk to Nvidia/AMD/Intel folks/etc. In some cases, they share code, in some cases they release a driver update.
You mean like asking NVIDIA for Wayland support following the same standards as everyone else? That worked well.
Everyone's drivers are bad, but I don't believe for a second that Apple's are measurably worse than Linux or Windows drivers.
[1] https://linuxreviews.org/Linux_Kernel_5.5_Will_Not_Fix_The_Frequent_Intel_GPU_Hangs_In_Recent_Kernels https://linuxreviews.org/Linux_Kernel_5.5_Will_Not_Fix_The_F...
[2] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.6-Broken-Intel-IWLWIFI https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5....
- computerex 6y agoIt goes without saying that OSX has the worst driver support out of Windows/Linux/OSX simply because OSX supports the smallest range of devices it will run on. Windows runs on hardware from a wide range of OEM's, whereas OSX only supports hardware produced by Apple. Try running a hackintosh and you'll very quickly see what I mean. Linux driver support used to be garbage but it has gotten quite good lately. User friendly distributions like Ubuntu typically work out of the box now.
- danieldk 6y agoNow we have gone from macOS drivers are garbage to macOS has the worst driver support. Which is a completely different statement. Also it's one that is hard to disagree with -- macOS is only made to run on Macs.
- banachtarski 6y agoI'm absolutely NOT including open source drivers in my assessment. I'm specifically talking about drivers written by vendors who unsurprisingly do a better job targeting their own hardware.
- danieldk 6y agoThanks for the clarification!