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It's the synthetic stuff that's the problem. It's all bad, but this is directly related to Fentanyl and OxyContin. Oxies brought opiates to the suburbs and Fent

It's the synthetic stuff that's the problem. It's all bad, but this is directly related to Fentanyl and OxyContin. Oxies brought opiates to the suburbs and Fentanyl is what ends up killing you b/c it's in all the "normal" heroin these days. The cycle is: get hurt, get prescribed oxies. Either you or your kids or whoever gets addicted. The prescription runs out or you run out of money and you switch to heroin, which I can assure you, was widely available before the Afghan war. What makes it so deadly now is that it's frequently cut with Fent. Fentanyl is far easier to smuggle because it's _so_ much more potent than other opiates. Buy a bunch of precursor from China, smuggle a few kilos over the southern border, bam. In any case, the poppy supply was not the limiting factor on production of prescription opioids. There are two developments that have driven this crisis: prescription opioids and fentanyl.

grawprog 6y ago
>Buy a bunch of precursor from China The precursor is opium. Even synthetic opiates are derived from morphine, codeine and thebane directly extracted from poppies. In the case of oxycontin it's the thebane that's used. Thebane lacks the euphoric properties of morphine and makes you sick but is equally if not more addictive. Oxycontin is typically not smuggled across borders but sold by people with prescriptions. Everyone I know hooked on oxys buys them from the people with oxy prescriptions. Fentynyl is cheap to produce and easy to smuggle in complete form. It's extremely potent and is extracted from unregulated fentynyl patches from China. These are stolen from hospitals etc, and are then processed to extract the fentynyl. This is then shipped on boats and such where it's easily concealed. It ends up being cut into heroin or coke or some other drugs by local dealers to extend their supply. Suddenly that gram of heroin they sell is going to get someone high for 3 days instead of a few hours. Most people od'ing on fentynyl aren't willingingly doing fentynyl, they're doing heroin or coke or something some asshole decided to cut with fentynyl.
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- weeksie 6y ago
  My understanding is that Fentanyl is synthetic and that China is the primary source of those (three, I think) precursor chemicals. I don't know enough about chemistry to know if the precursors are derived from poppies but I'm not under the impression that they are. Can you go into more detail on that? Also I never claimed oxies were smuggled into the US, and I mentioned that people od because their heroin is spiked with Fent, so I'm not sure if you're trolling?
  - grawprog 6y ago
    https://erowid.org/pharms/fentanyl/ https://erowid.org/pharms/fentanyl/ So, i've been trying to do some digging. It seems that this is the precursor to fentynyl https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/1-Benzyl-4-piperidone https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/1-Benzyl-4-piperid... According to these syntheses. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0108250 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/fentanyl https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/fentanyl Finding the precursor to N-Benzyl-4-piperidone was difficult but it seems to be partially this. https://m.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB9343629.htm https://m.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB9343... Which is https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/chemical-synonym_4-4-Piperidinediol-Hydrochloride.jsp?pSynonym=4,4-Piperidinediol-Hydrochloride https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/chemical-synonym_4-... >is a derivative of piperidine used as an intermediate in manufacturing pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals Which comes from black pepper https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperidine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperidine

grawprog 6y ago

>Buy a bunch of precursor from China The precursor is opium. Even synthetic opiates are derived from morphine, codeine and thebane directly extracted from poppies. In the case of oxycontin it's the thebane that's used. Thebane lacks the euphoric properties of morphine and makes you sick but is equally if not more addictive. Oxycontin is typically not smuggled across borders but sold by people with prescriptions. Everyone I know hooked on oxys buys them from the people with oxy prescriptions. Fentynyl is cheap to produce and easy to smuggle in complete form. It's extremely potent and is extracted from unregulated fentynyl patches from China. These are stolen from hospitals etc, and are then processed to extract the fentynyl. This is then shipped on boats and such where it's easily concealed. It ends up being cut into heroin or coke or some other drugs by local dealers to extend their supply. Suddenly that gram of heroin they sell is going to get someone high for 3 days instead of a few hours. Most people od'ing on fentynyl aren't willingingly doing fentynyl, they're doing heroin or coke or something some asshole decided to cut with fentynyl.

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weeksie 6y ago
My understanding is that Fentanyl is synthetic and that China is the primary source of those (three, I think) precursor chemicals. I don't know enough about chemistry to know if the precursors are derived from poppies but I'm not under the impression that they are. Can you go into more detail on that? Also I never claimed oxies were smuggled into the US, and I mentioned that people od because their heroin is spiked with Fent, so I'm not sure if you're trolling?
- grawprog 6y ago
  https://erowid.org/pharms/fentanyl/ https://erowid.org/pharms/fentanyl/ So, i've been trying to do some digging. It seems that this is the precursor to fentynyl https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/1-Benzyl-4-piperidone https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/1-Benzyl-4-piperid... According to these syntheses. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0108250 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/fentanyl https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/chemistry/fentanyl Finding the precursor to N-Benzyl-4-piperidone was difficult but it seems to be partially this. https://m.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB9343629.htm https://m.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB9343... Which is https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/chemical-synonym_4-4-Piperidinediol-Hydrochloride.jsp?pSynonym=4,4-Piperidinediol-Hydrochloride https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/chemical-synonym_4-... >is a derivative of piperidine used as an intermediate in manufacturing pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals Which comes from black pepper https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperidine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piperidine