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Does anyone have figures for the increase in deaths during the last great recession? I'm tired of the cure cannot be worse than the disease rhetoric. Economies

by throwaway-2020 6y ago

Does anyone have figures for the increase in deaths during the last great recession? I'm tired of the cure cannot be worse than the disease rhetoric. Economies will recover. The dead won't.

GekkePrutser 6y ago
But this situation will also lead to deaths. I already hear the mental hospitals are overflowing. And really, if we would do everything possible to prevent deaths, we would have tackled traffic, alcohol, poverty, pollution etc. In some countries even poor healthcare overall (Trump is still fighting 'Obamacare'). It's not as black and white as this; the virus isn't the only problem in our society.
- jamesmontalvo3 6y ago
  Approximately 36k deaths per year in the US are from traffic [1]. About 88k from alcohol [2]. Poverty and pollution is harder to pin down with a quick web search. According to [3], deaths-per-day from COVID-19 flattened at about 2000 deaths about three weeks ago. So in that time ~40k deaths from COVID. That’s with the curve flattened...with the curve flattened it was approximately equal to traffic deaths. If exponential growth had continued what would it be? I think deaths-per-day would doubled about 4 times. So 32k per day. Each day we’d be in the ballpark of traffic deaths. Wait a few days and it would have eclipsed alcohol-related deaths. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_... [2] https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/alcohol-facts-and-statistics https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh... [3] https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
malandrew 6y ago
National economies will recover. Many towns and small cities will not. Medium to large cities are reasonably well diversified to weather the storm.

Does anyone have figures for the increase in deaths during the last great recession? I'm tired of the cure cannot be worse than the disease rhetoric. Economies will recover. The dead won't.

GekkePrutser 6y ago

But this situation will also lead to deaths. I already hear the mental hospitals are overflowing. And really, if we would do everything possible to prevent deaths, we would have tackled traffic, alcohol, poverty, pollution etc. In some countries even poor healthcare overall (Trump is still fighting 'Obamacare'). It's not as black and white as this; the virus isn't the only problem in our society.

jamesmontalvo3 6y ago
Approximately 36k deaths per year in the US are from traffic [1]. About 88k from alcohol [2]. Poverty and pollution is harder to pin down with a quick web search. According to [3], deaths-per-day from COVID-19 flattened at about 2000 deaths about three weeks ago. So in that time ~40k deaths from COVID. That’s with the curve flattened...with the curve flattened it was approximately equal to traffic deaths. If exponential growth had continued what would it be? I think deaths-per-day would doubled about 4 times. So 32k per day. Each day we’d be in the ballpark of traffic deaths. Wait a few days and it would have eclipsed alcohol-related deaths. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_... [2] https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/alcohol-facts-and-statistics https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh... [3] https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

malandrew 6y ago

National economies will recover. Many towns and small cities will not. Medium to large cities are reasonably well diversified to weather the storm.