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> My friends would try every angle to weasel their way out of a $100 light hearted bet! I mean, the guy went to court to weasel out of the bet.

by npo9 6y ago

grawprog 6y ago
From the article, >the Superior Court cancelled that mortgage in a 2017 decision, which was appealed by Michel Primeau, who beat Hooper in the game of rock paper scissors — and won the $517,000 wager. Seems like the court itself decided to cancel the mortgage and the winner was the one who decided to appeal it in court.
- ellyagg 6y ago
  How did the Superior Court become aware of it? I doubt they routinely study home mortgages...
  - grawprog 6y ago
    https://www.iheartradio.ca/cjad/news/quebec-appeals-judge-invalidates-517-000-debt-incurred-following-rock-paper-scissors-games-1.12227564 https://www.iheartradio.ca/cjad/news/quebec-appeals-judge-in... >This gambling debt had even been recognized in a notarized contract and had led to the registration of a mortgage on the house of the loser, Edmund Mark Hooper. >The mortgage was canceled by a judgment rendered by a Quebec Superior Court judge in 2017. Because it was on a notorized contract. The guy that won is a huge asshole honestly.
liamcardenas 6y ago
Why is no one talking about the true jerk in this situation? The guy legally forcing the other to mortgage his house in order to give him $500k — because of rock, paper, scissors...
- TuringNYC 6y ago
  Well, we do not know what would happen if the situation were opposite. They both entered into the agreement, presumably seriously. It seems like just playing the game qualifies both sides as jerks.
  - coding123 6y ago
    Yes but sometimes you have a shark that eggs on the game knowing it is rigged. Google rock paper Scissors robot. It's not inconceivable that a human may have some skills close to that. Or was purposely slowly entering their final state.
  - liamcardenas 6y ago
    If the roles were reversed, I would have a similar criticism of the other guy. Clearly, the loser didn’t want to pay because he contested it in court — and the victor could have forgiven the debt. I wouldn’t even make my friend pay me back for lunch if they forgot their wallet — let alone put them through financial hardship for such a trivial, low-effort event as a game of RPS.
    - jon_elbrook 6y ago
      >and the victor could have forgiven the debt. That would be equivalent to burning $500,000. >I wouldn’t even make my friend pay me back for lunch if they forgot their wallet — let alone put them through financial hardship for such a trivial, low-effort event as a game of RPS. What is the minimum amount of effort required to make a bet of $500,000 valid?
    - jstanley 6y ago
      > I wouldn’t even make my friend pay me back for lunch if they forgot their wallet — let alone put them through financial hardship for such a trivial, low-effort event as a game of RPS. That's a bit different. Your friend is presumably not deliberately forgetting his wallet while eating $500k lunches, and if he was I bet you'd expect him to pay you back. And the game of Rock Paper Scissors may be trivial and low-effort, but betting $500k on the game is very much not. If I enter into a $500k bet on a game of Rock Paper Scissors, it's with the understanding that I stand to lose $500k if I lose the game, and I take that seriously. The only reason that risk is worth taking is if I also stand to win $500k if I win the game. If I win and you turn around and say "oh come on man I really don't want to pay", then you're basically saying you entered into the bet with the intention of scamming me out of an expected sum of $250k, so yes I'll insist that you pay up.
- tzs 6y ago
  If he's a true jerk, he'll report the now cancelled debt to his country's equivalent of the IRS. If you owe money and some or all of that is cancelled, in many countries the amount cancelled might count as income to you for tax purposes. I'd expect that in this case it would not be income, because it sounds like the court determined that the debt was not valid in the first place and so it is more of a "there was never a debt in the first place" than a "cancelled debt" situation, but being investigated to determine that would likely be annoying.
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- valuearb 6y ago
  He didn’t force the other guy to do anything. The other guy showed up at a notary public to sign the contract for chrissakes.
- meddlepal 6y ago
  How is the guy an asshole? Don't make bets you cannot afford.

> My friends would try every angle to weasel their way out of a $100 light hearted bet! I mean, the guy went to court to weasel out of the bet.

by npo9 6y ago

> My friends would try every angle to weasel their way out of a $100 light hearted bet! I mean, the guy went to court to weasel out of the bet.

grawprog 6y ago

From the article, >the Superior Court cancelled that mortgage in a 2017 decision, which was appealed by Michel Primeau, who beat Hooper in the game of rock paper scissors — and won the $517,000 wager. Seems like the court itself decided to cancel the mortgage and the winner was the one who decided to appeal it in court.

ellyagg 6y ago
How did the Superior Court become aware of it? I doubt they routinely study home mortgages...
- grawprog 6y ago
  https://www.iheartradio.ca/cjad/news/quebec-appeals-judge-invalidates-517-000-debt-incurred-following-rock-paper-scissors-games-1.12227564 https://www.iheartradio.ca/cjad/news/quebec-appeals-judge-in... >This gambling debt had even been recognized in a notarized contract and had led to the registration of a mortgage on the house of the loser, Edmund Mark Hooper. >The mortgage was canceled by a judgment rendered by a Quebec Superior Court judge in 2017. Because it was on a notorized contract. The guy that won is a huge asshole honestly.

liamcardenas 6y ago

Why is no one talking about the true jerk in this situation? The guy legally forcing the other to mortgage his house in order to give him $500k — because of rock, paper, scissors...

TuringNYC 6y ago
Well, we do not know what would happen if the situation were opposite. They both entered into the agreement, presumably seriously. It seems like just playing the game qualifies both sides as jerks.
- coding123 6y ago
  Yes but sometimes you have a shark that eggs on the game knowing it is rigged. Google rock paper Scissors robot. It's not inconceivable that a human may have some skills close to that. Or was purposely slowly entering their final state.
- liamcardenas 6y ago
  If the roles were reversed, I would have a similar criticism of the other guy. Clearly, the loser didn’t want to pay because he contested it in court — and the victor could have forgiven the debt. I wouldn’t even make my friend pay me back for lunch if they forgot their wallet — let alone put them through financial hardship for such a trivial, low-effort event as a game of RPS.
  - jon_elbrook 6y ago
    >and the victor could have forgiven the debt. That would be equivalent to burning $500,000. >I wouldn’t even make my friend pay me back for lunch if they forgot their wallet — let alone put them through financial hardship for such a trivial, low-effort event as a game of RPS. What is the minimum amount of effort required to make a bet of $500,000 valid?
  - jstanley 6y ago
    > I wouldn’t even make my friend pay me back for lunch if they forgot their wallet — let alone put them through financial hardship for such a trivial, low-effort event as a game of RPS. That's a bit different. Your friend is presumably not deliberately forgetting his wallet while eating $500k lunches, and if he was I bet you'd expect him to pay you back. And the game of Rock Paper Scissors may be trivial and low-effort, but betting $500k on the game is very much not. If I enter into a $500k bet on a game of Rock Paper Scissors, it's with the understanding that I stand to lose $500k if I lose the game, and I take that seriously. The only reason that risk is worth taking is if I also stand to win $500k if I win the game. If I win and you turn around and say "oh come on man I really don't want to pay", then you're basically saying you entered into the bet with the intention of scamming me out of an expected sum of $250k, so yes I'll insist that you pay up.
tzs 6y ago
If he's a true jerk, he'll report the now cancelled debt to his country's equivalent of the IRS. If you owe money and some or all of that is cancelled, in many countries the amount cancelled might count as income to you for tax purposes. I'd expect that in this case it would not be income, because it sounds like the court determined that the debt was not valid in the first place and so it is more of a "there was never a debt in the first place" than a "cancelled debt" situation, but being investigated to determine that would likely be annoying.
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valuearb 6y ago
He didn’t force the other guy to do anything. The other guy showed up at a notary public to sign the contract for chrissakes.
meddlepal 6y ago
How is the guy an asshole? Don't make bets you cannot afford.