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> additional testing and antibody testing are confirming that the virus is marginally more lethal than the common flu 15,411 people have died of covid in NYC,

by jefftk 7y ago

> additional testing and antibody testing are confirming that the virus is marginally more lethal than the common flu 15,411 people have died of covid in NYC, though excess death numbers suggest that this is an undercount and it's more like 19,200. [1] The population of NYC is 8.4M. If everyone in NYC had been exposed this would give a death rate of ~0.18%, or ~0.23% after adjusting for excess deaths. Antibody tests say ~21% [2] of the population has had it, so multiply by 5 and it looks like if everyone got it about 1% of people would die. That's about 10x more deadly than the flu. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-test-ny.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-anti...

cm2187 7y ago
If you cite numbers from Cuomo’s presentation why did you leave out his estimate of a mortality rate of circa 0.5% [1]? [edit] also these rates are heavily skewed against 70+ years old and people with existing conditions. The risk to a random warehouse worker is really immaterial. [1] https://youtu.be/TisDYYWJgBA?t=967 https://youtu.be/TisDYYWJgBA?t=967
- eli 7y ago
  Five times worse than the flu is “marginally” more?
  - cm2187 7y ago
    Five time a tiny number may still be a tiny number. The odd to win the UK lotto is one in 45m, the odd of winning Euromillion is one in 140m, the UK lotto is 3 times higher! Either way you won’t win either. The odd of dying from this virus for a warehouse employee worker under 40 with no serious medical condition is not something they should worry about.
    - vegannet 7y ago
      Yes but it’s very contagious, asymptomatic while contagious _and_ many people who aren’t at risk of death do come into contact with those who are. There are tens of millions of people in the UK who are vulnerable to severe consequences if they catch the disease.
    - mullingitover 7y ago
      > Five time a tiny number may still be a tiny number. A tiny proportion of a gigantic number is still a massive number. Plus, most of the population has some level of immunity to the flu. Meanwhile, for coronavirus, every human being on the planet can be infected except the tiny number who have already survived it. > The odd of dying from this virus for a warehouse employee worker under 40 with no serious medical condition is not something they should worry about. Until we have longitudinal studies showing that there's nothing to worry about in the long term, this is a reckless assumption.
    - colejohnson66 7y ago
      It seems you’re saying death is ok because it’s a small amount. Any death is bad if it could’ve been prevented.
- jefftk 7y ago
  > If you cite numbers from Cuomo’s presentation... I didn't watch Cuomo's presentation, and don't generally consume news via video. The two links I gave were to the NYT. How do you get a mortality rate of 0.5% when you think 0.2% of the city has already died and 20% of the city has been exposed?
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by jefftk 7y ago

cm2187 7y ago

If you cite numbers from Cuomo’s presentation why did you leave out his estimate of a mortality rate of circa 0.5% [1]? [edit] also these rates are heavily skewed against 70+ years old and people with existing conditions. The risk to a random warehouse worker is really immaterial. [1] https://youtu.be/TisDYYWJgBA?t=967 https://youtu.be/TisDYYWJgBA?t=967

eli 7y ago
Five times worse than the flu is “marginally” more?
- cm2187 7y ago
  Five time a tiny number may still be a tiny number. The odd to win the UK lotto is one in 45m, the odd of winning Euromillion is one in 140m, the UK lotto is 3 times higher! Either way you won’t win either. The odd of dying from this virus for a warehouse employee worker under 40 with no serious medical condition is not something they should worry about.
  - vegannet 7y ago
    Yes but it’s very contagious, asymptomatic while contagious _and_ many people who aren’t at risk of death do come into contact with those who are. There are tens of millions of people in the UK who are vulnerable to severe consequences if they catch the disease.
  - mullingitover 7y ago
    > Five time a tiny number may still be a tiny number. A tiny proportion of a gigantic number is still a massive number. Plus, most of the population has some level of immunity to the flu. Meanwhile, for coronavirus, every human being on the planet can be infected except the tiny number who have already survived it. > The odd of dying from this virus for a warehouse employee worker under 40 with no serious medical condition is not something they should worry about. Until we have longitudinal studies showing that there's nothing to worry about in the long term, this is a reckless assumption.
  - colejohnson66 7y ago
    It seems you’re saying death is ok because it’s a small amount. Any death is bad if it could’ve been prevented.
jefftk 7y ago
> If you cite numbers from Cuomo’s presentation... I didn't watch Cuomo's presentation, and don't generally consume news via video. The two links I gave were to the NYT. How do you get a mortality rate of 0.5% when you think 0.2% of the city has already died and 20% of the city has been exposed?

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