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One counterpoint - Trust in quality. I'm looking at buying a laptop right now and I can either buy an apple MBP ... OR a MONSTER laptop with much better specs

One counterpoint - Trust in quality. I'm looking at buying a laptop right now and I can either buy an apple MBP ... OR a MONSTER laptop with much better specs for the same-or-less price. I'm hand-wringing over it. With past laptops I've only been disappointed by the non-Apple laptops I've had. Bad ram, bad battery, bad battery again, bad battery AGAIN, slow-for-hardware-misfiring issues... or the Apple that has been a truly reliable machine for going on nine years. Trust in Quality. That's my "denial".

readwind 6y ago
You'll get more "SCSI" when you buy macs, if you're a poser, at least, or a signaller, is probably more polite. 'You' is general of course, but, I think this is how it works. You'll be rolling in the SCSI with a mac, or if you plan to hang out with lots of bald men with the Steve Jobs kind of spiel, or something. I'd guess this is how it works. If any of those things are your thing, you should go for the mac, man. But all that is a shitty landscape, opinions are mine. I meant no offense. But you see how things work out there.
- inanutshellus 6y ago
  I too used to be a anti-snob snob, sneering at Apple-buyers buying into a clique. Then work gave me a Mac. Suddenly I had a Linux machine without the headaches. It took me about 6 months to get used to the OS, but by then I loved it and bought one for the house. I now have a Linux machine at work and am spending my weekend upgrading the operating system because my video card goes insane and it takes me 3 days of fiddling to finally get it working again. YES, SPEND MY WEEKEND WORKING SO MY VIDEO CARD WILL WORK. But my Mac has VIM, grep, awk, cron, sed, and find. A real Linux shell, in other words. It also runs most of the Linux apps I want to run. Also, I know they didn't stealthily give me a cheap-ass battery that's going to need replacing right outside of warranty. I know it'll be fine. My laptop isn't a status symbol for you to see and adore. Honestly? I wish I could hide the fact that I had a Mac so that I wouldn't worry that it'd be stolen at conferences! ... Anyway. I humbly suggest that you may be the thing you despise: An Apple snob. Just not the kind most people know. Maybe you're the "Granny Smith" type of Apple snobs. ;-)
  - readwind 6y ago
    We are stepping on each others toes; the initial OP or Grand-poster or whatever was about installing Ubuntu on a Mac, and that was the context I was replying into. So whatever. The OSX thing is great, for whoever it fits to, it is surely better than windows, W10.x and, etc, but, whatever, gp, grand parent, was talking about ubuntuin'g a mac, so what's his point. I get your point, about being all about the macs, but, this is an Ubuntu insertion. From his side. (((Arch by the way.))) Yeah enjoy your OSX. You've deserved it. And let's go on our ways. Or Rust on our ways, since the Go language is a piece of shit anyways. I use Rust. Since Go is a piece of shit, I mean. I've upvoted your comment since we've clearly misunderstood each other. I don't think we're at disparity, the bloke tried to install Ubuntu on a mac after all. It's all good.
davidwparker 6y ago
For what it's worth, I recently switched from a 2015 MBP to a Thinkpad. I was on OSX for ~9 years, and dual boot Linux/Windows for the ~7 before that. The quality on this laptop is amazing. The keyboard works (have a friend who took his new MBP to Apple 3x in the first month due to keyboard issues). The trackpad is amazing (they used to not be so). I'll be on these machines for the coming years (probably ~6-10 based on my history, then back to OSX). Edit: it was also ~$1000 cheaper for equivalent specs as the MBP.
readwind 6y ago
Now that we are friends again, I don't know how that happened, get a PC ________________PC____________________- don't pay for the mac shit, especially now, "enjoy your tardboard," etc, cant you get girls or boys without the apple symbol? I guess the answer is clear get a GOOOD lappie, Thinkcrust whatever, who care, I only use shit lappies, since I earn like hell, whatever I type on, but MAcs, I only used them around when Vista came out. I love you man. If you ask about the price you can't afford it. Rest of us just pick a $400 lappie and earn. No matter how much we are worth. And you're worth everything. So consider. <3 I use pc's cheap ones, and earn like hell, so, yeah. OK. Save some money. #PCmastertastes EDIT: downvoted as hell as people are apparently paying-down their mac-"pc's", or why would they. Learn to use a computer to get paid and then the mac pc debates goes to hell I have one pc laptop from 2006 2007 I earn tons of money on it, even thoug most work is remote SSH etc Hetzner, etc, server-sales, but, and I have another one from 2014 I believe, both money earners. But it's all remote. I make money Tons of money. No debts no downpayments. Tons of money. I guess they both cost about hummmm $400 since the oldest one was free. All running Arch Linux. Enjoy your MAc, it will take you 11-12 years to pay it down. The end.

readwind 6y ago

You'll get more "SCSI" when you buy macs, if you're a poser, at least, or a signaller, is probably more polite. 'You' is general of course, but, I think this is how it works. You'll be rolling in the SCSI with a mac, or if you plan to hang out with lots of bald men with the Steve Jobs kind of spiel, or something. I'd guess this is how it works. If any of those things are your thing, you should go for the mac, man. But all that is a shitty landscape, opinions are mine. I meant no offense. But you see how things work out there.

inanutshellus 6y ago
I too used to be a anti-snob snob, sneering at Apple-buyers buying into a clique. Then work gave me a Mac. Suddenly I had a Linux machine without the headaches. It took me about 6 months to get used to the OS, but by then I loved it and bought one for the house. I now have a Linux machine at work and am spending my weekend upgrading the operating system because my video card goes insane and it takes me 3 days of fiddling to finally get it working again. YES, SPEND MY WEEKEND WORKING SO MY VIDEO CARD WILL WORK. But my Mac has VIM, grep, awk, cron, sed, and find. A real Linux shell, in other words. It also runs most of the Linux apps I want to run. Also, I know they didn't stealthily give me a cheap-ass battery that's going to need replacing right outside of warranty. I know it'll be fine. My laptop isn't a status symbol for you to see and adore. Honestly? I wish I could hide the fact that I had a Mac so that I wouldn't worry that it'd be stolen at conferences! ... Anyway. I humbly suggest that you may be the thing you despise: An Apple snob. Just not the kind most people know. Maybe you're the "Granny Smith" type of Apple snobs. ;-)
- readwind 6y ago
  We are stepping on each others toes; the initial OP or Grand-poster or whatever was about installing Ubuntu on a Mac, and that was the context I was replying into. So whatever. The OSX thing is great, for whoever it fits to, it is surely better than windows, W10.x and, etc, but, whatever, gp, grand parent, was talking about ubuntuin'g a mac, so what's his point. I get your point, about being all about the macs, but, this is an Ubuntu insertion. From his side. (((Arch by the way.))) Yeah enjoy your OSX. You've deserved it. And let's go on our ways. Or Rust on our ways, since the Go language is a piece of shit anyways. I use Rust. Since Go is a piece of shit, I mean. I've upvoted your comment since we've clearly misunderstood each other. I don't think we're at disparity, the bloke tried to install Ubuntu on a mac after all. It's all good.

davidwparker 6y ago

For what it's worth, I recently switched from a 2015 MBP to a Thinkpad. I was on OSX for ~9 years, and dual boot Linux/Windows for the ~7 before that. The quality on this laptop is amazing. The keyboard works (have a friend who took his new MBP to Apple 3x in the first month due to keyboard issues). The trackpad is amazing (they used to not be so). I'll be on these machines for the coming years (probably ~6-10 based on my history, then back to OSX). Edit: it was also ~$1000 cheaper for equivalent specs as the MBP.

readwind 6y ago

Now that we are friends again, I don't know how that happened, get a PC ________________PC____________________- don't pay for the mac shit, especially now, "enjoy your tardboard," etc, cant you get girls or boys without the apple symbol? I guess the answer is clear get a GOOOD lappie, Thinkcrust whatever, who care, I only use shit lappies, since I earn like hell, whatever I type on, but MAcs, I only used them around when Vista came out. I love you man. If you ask about the price you can't afford it. Rest of us just pick a $400 lappie and earn. No matter how much we are worth. And you're worth everything. So consider. <3 I use pc's cheap ones, and earn like hell, so, yeah. OK. Save some money. #PCmastertastes EDIT: downvoted as hell as people are apparently paying-down their mac-"pc's", or why would they. Learn to use a computer to get paid and then the mac pc debates goes to hell I have one pc laptop from 2006 2007 I earn tons of money on it, even thoug most work is remote SSH etc Hetzner, etc, server-sales, but, and I have another one from 2014 I believe, both money earners. But it's all remote. I make money Tons of money. No debts no downpayments. Tons of money. I guess they both cost about hummmm $400 since the oldest one was free. All running Arch Linux. Enjoy your MAc, it will take you 11-12 years to pay it down. The end.