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Did anyone catch the JRE podcast with Tom O'Neill [1], he was there detailing his findings and research on his book on Charles Manson and the Family and subsequ

Did anyone catch the JRE podcast with Tom O'Neill [1], he was there detailing his findings and research on his book on Charles Manson and the Family and subsequently finding many of the associated links between Intelligence and Military agencies and personnel that were involved with MK ULTRA and other programs. Its quite the rabbit hole; I personally couldn't care less about the Manson family cult, as a kid I heard all about the scary hippy acid BS only to see them buying houses with their NIMBY tactics and driving gas guzzling SUVS in the 21st Century. Neither extremes turned out to be be true about those boomers, and instead all we got was a bland and trite form of entrenched entitlement in this country. However, being a proponent of psychedelic use for medicinal and therapeutic purposes for many current epidemics, I wanted to hear what he had to say. I ended up getting the audiobook, but haven't started it yet as I'm finishing a final project for one of my classes. But what was said so far on the podcast has been intriguing. Especially as the CIA released the redacted files in common limited hangout fashion, but what Tom did was go even deeper over the course of 20 YEARS and managed to get files that revealed how Graduate students, police and military men were used in a wide-spread network in clandestine operations to either conduct, observe, monitor the experiments of test subjects in their targeted studies/experiments or be experimented on in order to refine a technique to achieve a desired result. Its not clear to me if Manson and his crazy murders were intended to be used to solely discredit the psychedelic, anti-war or black movements of that period, but given what we saw with the Occupy Movement it is most definitely an effective tool in their arsenal to quell dissent that can be used if/when needed. Either way, the tarnished reputation of psychedelics and its legitimate psychologists/researchers has been a bane for Humanity but a successful boon for Big Pharma. So inexorably tying LSD to Manson makes sense if you want to outlaw a currently researched substance with positive clinical trials, especially when Tom's research reveals he may have been a subject himself as he had a series of unwarranted releases from arrest or jail and state appointed relationships with MK Ultra program operatives. I'm just MAPS has been able to reignite the legitimacy and utility of these class of drugs again after all these years. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36xPWBLcG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36xPWBLcG8

justforyou 7y ago
>> but given what we saw with the Occupy Movement Care to elaborate?
- pstuart 7y ago
  A couple examples below. The key thing is that they won: The occupy movement was effectively neutered. https://www.globalresearch.ca/infiltration-of-occupy-part-i-infiltration-to-disrupt-divide-and-mis-direct-are-widespread-in-occupy/29493 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy
  - Melting_Harps 7y ago
    > A couple examples below. The key thing is that they won: The occupy movement was effectively neutered. That's just what was documented, I did a project with one of the more active and vocal members of Occupy LA, he pulled a few of the major occupations that got him in quite a bit of trouble. And on TV in one of the spectacles, but ultimately left him disillusioned in the end. Anyhow, he had stories about how they had a few 'squats' throughout where they would stay to plan things out, both for LA as well as NY, and they had to stop letting people in because so many were turning out to be CI for the police. The survailence economy was also starting to become widespread as Wifi enabled phones were also starting to become common, but here is another article detailing the FBI's tactics [1] in dragnet surveillance as well as brazen overt tactics. Hell, the damn Federal Reserve even had a hand in the surveillance program against Occupy at one point! When confronted what some accepted in return for it many said the police would give them drugs or alcohol, or cash which if you're a severally depressed millennial with 10-100ks of student debt and no job prospects, and recently evicted out of your home, living on the street/car (with now deep psychological trauma) the why/hows become pretty obvious. On a Human level, that's just incredibly sad and exploitative behaviour of people in vulnerable positions. Personally, I never liked the Occupy movement; initially it seemed to show promise (coordinated bank runs) but then it severally stagnated in the demonstration phase and squandered its resources until it became irrelevant--while many of its supporters mistook it for an extended Spring Break and livecasting was in its infancy and becoming quite popular around that period too--JustinTV was starting to get the attention of Google to become Twitch around that time, too. In retrospect I wonder how much of that contributed to the 'influencer' model we see now. The Occupy movement could have done so much good if they took those motivated people into places like Detroit and bought up sky scrapers or entire neighborhood blocks to renovate and house them, and then participated in the Urban gardening revolution and local economic resurgence and commerce that took place with all the funds they had. I know this because I suggested it to them as I hung out in their chat rooms back then and saw what was happening as food deserts were becoming even more ubiquitous and saw the writing on the wall. My personal transition into Environmentalism and Activism was occurring at that time, too, so I recall it quite vividly. My conclusions was that they simply had no plan and wanted to vent their anger, which was well intended, but then it became a reason to just have fun at night partying and not really mobilize for actual change. Also, they were totally against my staunch (especially back then) An-Cap/Crypto-Anarchist position, and I was probably seen as just another 'capitalist shill' so I'm not an apologist for them at all. I was just highlighting the State's MO and how Tom's work details how some of it was done in relation in his 20 years researching the Manson case and how it related to a 'political' movement in recent History. 1: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fbi-occupy-wall-street_n_2410783 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fbi-occupy-wall-street_n_2410...

justforyou 7y ago

>> but given what we saw with the Occupy Movement Care to elaborate?

pstuart 7y ago
A couple examples below. The key thing is that they won: The occupy movement was effectively neutered. https://www.globalresearch.ca/infiltration-of-occupy-part-i-infiltration-to-disrupt-divide-and-mis-direct-are-widespread-in-occupy/29493 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy
- Melting_Harps 7y ago
  > A couple examples below. The key thing is that they won: The occupy movement was effectively neutered. That's just what was documented, I did a project with one of the more active and vocal members of Occupy LA, he pulled a few of the major occupations that got him in quite a bit of trouble. And on TV in one of the spectacles, but ultimately left him disillusioned in the end. Anyhow, he had stories about how they had a few 'squats' throughout where they would stay to plan things out, both for LA as well as NY, and they had to stop letting people in because so many were turning out to be CI for the police. The survailence economy was also starting to become widespread as Wifi enabled phones were also starting to become common, but here is another article detailing the FBI's tactics [1] in dragnet surveillance as well as brazen overt tactics. Hell, the damn Federal Reserve even had a hand in the surveillance program against Occupy at one point! When confronted what some accepted in return for it many said the police would give them drugs or alcohol, or cash which if you're a severally depressed millennial with 10-100ks of student debt and no job prospects, and recently evicted out of your home, living on the street/car (with now deep psychological trauma) the why/hows become pretty obvious. On a Human level, that's just incredibly sad and exploitative behaviour of people in vulnerable positions. Personally, I never liked the Occupy movement; initially it seemed to show promise (coordinated bank runs) but then it severally stagnated in the demonstration phase and squandered its resources until it became irrelevant--while many of its supporters mistook it for an extended Spring Break and livecasting was in its infancy and becoming quite popular around that period too--JustinTV was starting to get the attention of Google to become Twitch around that time, too. In retrospect I wonder how much of that contributed to the 'influencer' model we see now. The Occupy movement could have done so much good if they took those motivated people into places like Detroit and bought up sky scrapers or entire neighborhood blocks to renovate and house them, and then participated in the Urban gardening revolution and local economic resurgence and commerce that took place with all the funds they had. I know this because I suggested it to them as I hung out in their chat rooms back then and saw what was happening as food deserts were becoming even more ubiquitous and saw the writing on the wall. My personal transition into Environmentalism and Activism was occurring at that time, too, so I recall it quite vividly. My conclusions was that they simply had no plan and wanted to vent their anger, which was well intended, but then it became a reason to just have fun at night partying and not really mobilize for actual change. Also, they were totally against my staunch (especially back then) An-Cap/Crypto-Anarchist position, and I was probably seen as just another 'capitalist shill' so I'm not an apologist for them at all. I was just highlighting the State's MO and how Tom's work details how some of it was done in relation in his 20 years researching the Manson case and how it related to a 'political' movement in recent History. 1: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fbi-occupy-wall-street_n_2410783 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fbi-occupy-wall-street_n_2410...