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One of many examples [1]. These tactics would be familiar to the Romans. They are as old as the hills. They are apparently common enough that HBGary proposed

One of many examples [1]. These tactics would be familiar to the Romans. They are as old as the hills. They are apparently common enough that HBGary proposed a collaboration with Palantir to use them against Glenn Greenwald [2]. [1] https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ [2] https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110209/22340513034/leaked-hbgary-documents-show-plan-to-spread-wikileaks-propaganda-bofa-attack-glenn-greenwald.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110209/22340513034/leake...

jariel 6y ago
These have absolutely nothing to do with said 'mind control' programs.
nl 6y ago
These aren't mind control at all! Saying "the intelligence community is horrible" isn't the same as "these programs were prototypes for still-ongoing [mind control] attacks on the American public."
- rmrfstar 6y ago
  We don't really know what took place in the "mind control" program, as the records were systematically destroyed [1]. One plausible interpretation is that these were mainly efforts in coercive control, rather than Hollywood style "mind control". We have extensive records of comparable efforts in East Germany [2], and it is reasonable to suspect that the American programs followed a similar thread of "research". Why wouldn't they? The tactics were apparently very successful. If you buy that argument, then the cited examples are logical successors. It is very easy to dismiss "mind control" programs as a weird vestige of a bygone era, but I think it is unlikely that institutions drew no durable lessons from them. [1] https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol44no4/html/v44i4a07p_0021.htm https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intellig... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjzT2l5C34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjzT2l5C34
  - nl 6y ago
    The article was specifically about MK-Ultra style mind control. Saying there are other ways to try to get people to do what they want - especially at a population level as the OP claimed - is a completely different proposition. I've linked elsewhere to IARPA SHARP which is the closest thing to actual mind control. Do I think intelligence agencies try to manipulate public opinion by methods similar to advertising agencies? Yes absolutely! Do I think this this is mind control or anything resembling that? No, and I think it's important to note that despite all the leaks (Snowden, Wikileaks, etc etc) there is no hints that I'm wrong about this.
    - rmrfstar 6y ago
      The whole point of the comment is that we don't know what "MK-Ultra style mind control" means because the records were destroyed. We can only make educated guesses about what is likely to have survived the program. If you think the guess is bad, that's fair. It's another thing to get hung up on the semantics of "mind control".

jariel 6y ago

These have absolutely nothing to do with said 'mind control' programs.

nl 6y ago

These aren't mind control at all! Saying "the intelligence community is horrible" isn't the same as "these programs were prototypes for still-ongoing [mind control] attacks on the American public."

rmrfstar 6y ago
We don't really know what took place in the "mind control" program, as the records were systematically destroyed [1]. One plausible interpretation is that these were mainly efforts in coercive control, rather than Hollywood style "mind control". We have extensive records of comparable efforts in East Germany [2], and it is reasonable to suspect that the American programs followed a similar thread of "research". Why wouldn't they? The tactics were apparently very successful. If you buy that argument, then the cited examples are logical successors. It is very easy to dismiss "mind control" programs as a weird vestige of a bygone era, but I think it is unlikely that institutions drew no durable lessons from them. [1] https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol44no4/html/v44i4a07p_0021.htm https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intellig... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjzT2l5C34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjzT2l5C34
- nl 6y ago
  The article was specifically about MK-Ultra style mind control. Saying there are other ways to try to get people to do what they want - especially at a population level as the OP claimed - is a completely different proposition. I've linked elsewhere to IARPA SHARP which is the closest thing to actual mind control. Do I think intelligence agencies try to manipulate public opinion by methods similar to advertising agencies? Yes absolutely! Do I think this this is mind control or anything resembling that? No, and I think it's important to note that despite all the leaks (Snowden, Wikileaks, etc etc) there is no hints that I'm wrong about this.
  - rmrfstar 6y ago
    The whole point of the comment is that we don't know what "MK-Ultra style mind control" means because the records were destroyed. We can only make educated guesses about what is likely to have survived the program. If you think the guess is bad, that's fair. It's another thing to get hung up on the semantics of "mind control".