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0.1% isn't there lower floor if they are over counting deaths from Corona. Here is an example of one such case https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/26/boys-death

by ponsin 6y ago

0.1% isn't there lower floor if they are over counting deaths from Corona. Here is an example of one such case https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/26/boys-death-no-longer-counted-among-la-countys-virus-total/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/26/boys-death-no-longer-...

jonkho 6y ago
No only that, there’s plenty of evidence showing virus + mechanical ventilators leading to deaths that virus + simpler interventions otherwise wouldn’t. How many deaths were actually unnecessary and preventable[1][2]? I suppose under ordinary circumstances, these deaths could be considered medical malpractice? [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-... [2]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventil...
- tasty_freeze 6y ago
  Those would not be medical malpractice. Even if in retrospect it wasn't the best treatment option, at the time the aid was given, it was considered the best medical practice.
tasty_freeze 6y ago
I'm sure there are some misdiagnoses, but enough to skew the results in any significant way? I'd bet $1000 to $1 that the number of unreported cases caused by covid-19 exceeds the number of misattributions that were caused by something else.
- ponsin 6y ago
  Infection cases or death cases? I would assume that more people get the virus than are reported because some people are asymptomatic, there might not be enough tests and some people might opt not to get tested and go to the hospital. With regard to the number of deaths, I would be surprised if that was under reported since it is very hard to ignore a death. If someone was in critical condition due to breathing issues, I would assume that they would be hospitalized and tested. In addition, if someone was in the hospital and died from something not Corona related, it seems likely that if they happened to have Corona they would be listed as a corona death due to CDC recommendations https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to-Doctors-on-How-to-Certify-COVID-19-Deaths-including-Related-Deaths https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to... . So seeing as total cases are likely underestimated and total deaths are likely overestimated, the 1% hardly seems to me to be the lower floor.
- coolgeek 6y ago
  I'd bet along side you. There's likely to be 10X more unreported than misattributed cases. Not to mention misattributions in the other direction - e.g California's discovery of earlier cases, and subsequent backdating or earliest known case. The attacks on counting likely/suspected cases reek of motivated reasoning

by ponsin 6y ago

jonkho 6y ago

No only that, there’s plenty of evidence showing virus + mechanical ventilators leading to deaths that virus + simpler interventions otherwise wouldn’t. How many deaths were actually unnecessary and preventable[1][2]? I suppose under ordinary circumstances, these deaths could be considered medical malpractice? [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-... [2]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventil...

tasty_freeze 6y ago
Those would not be medical malpractice. Even if in retrospect it wasn't the best treatment option, at the time the aid was given, it was considered the best medical practice.

tasty_freeze 6y ago

I'm sure there are some misdiagnoses, but enough to skew the results in any significant way? I'd bet $1000 to $1 that the number of unreported cases caused by covid-19 exceeds the number of misattributions that were caused by something else.

ponsin 6y ago
Infection cases or death cases? I would assume that more people get the virus than are reported because some people are asymptomatic, there might not be enough tests and some people might opt not to get tested and go to the hospital. With regard to the number of deaths, I would be surprised if that was under reported since it is very hard to ignore a death. If someone was in critical condition due to breathing issues, I would assume that they would be hospitalized and tested. In addition, if someone was in the hospital and died from something not Corona related, it seems likely that if they happened to have Corona they would be listed as a corona death due to CDC recommendations https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to-Doctors-on-How-to-Certify-COVID-19-Deaths-including-Related-Deaths https://www.scribd.com/document/455607875/US-HHS-Document-to... . So seeing as total cases are likely underestimated and total deaths are likely overestimated, the 1% hardly seems to me to be the lower floor.
coolgeek 6y ago
I'd bet along side you. There's likely to be 10X more unreported than misattributed cases. Not to mention misattributions in the other direction - e.g California's discovery of earlier cases, and subsequent backdating or earliest known case. The attacks on counting likely/suspected cases reek of motivated reasoning