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It's funny. We're very similar. I'm also interested in PL (albeit a little less theory-oriented than you). I'm also Asian American. I also didn't get into the s

It's funny. We're very similar. I'm also interested in PL (albeit a little less theory-oriented than you). I'm also Asian American. I also didn't get into the schools that I wanted to attend. If you go to Stuyvesant this would be perfect. I agree that there's something vexing about having this stereotype which can almost dominate or define you. We should certainly fight against being depicted as math/CS loving robots. However I disagree that this ties into affirmative action. Yes, Asians face discrimination and dehumanization in our lives. But black and hispanic and other people of color face discrimination and dehumanization at such an extreme. Whether that's redlining, discriminatory banking practices or police brutality, there are active forces at play that hurt young people of color and prevent them from getting the best possible education. For instance, the average black family has one tenth the wealth of the average white family^[1]. It's easy to see these policies that are determining resource allocation based on race and not just merit as racial discrimination, but what's important to understand is that the merit part is clouded by racial discrimination of its own. It's just better hidden. Let me be clear though: this is purely against your affirmative action points. Any potential discrimination against Asians outside of affirmative action is unacceptable. [1]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-wealth-gap-costs-economy-1-5-trillion-dollars-report-finds/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-wealth-gap-costs-economy...

champagneben 6y ago
>For instance, the average black family has one tenth the wealth of the average white family So make it wealth based? >Let me be clear though: this is purely against your affirmative action points. Any potential discrimination against Asians outside of affirmative action is unacceptable. Why draw the line arbitrarily at affirmative action? Why not housing as well? Maybe a quota on high-paying jobs?
- MiroF 6y ago
  > So make it wealth based? Affirmative action via wealth is already in place at Harvard. Shockingly, not all adversity faced by black Americans comes simply from wealth disparities, although that is a large part of it. I'm white and I've seen enough not-so-subtle racism to understand that those things can have a large cumulative effect, even if each individual instance is someone just making a small snap judgement about you. It's funny that studies like these about intentional affirmative action policies rise to the top of HN, whereas studies showing that black people with the exact same credentials are half as likely to get an interview for a job don't.
- _hardwaregeek 6y ago
  > Why draw the line arbitrarily at affirmative action? Why not housing as well? Maybe a quota on high-paying jobs? Uhh yeah I actually totally think programs to give underrepresented minorities opportunities for better housing would be great. The history of redlining is despicable and we need to work to actively reverse it. Same with jobs. Programs like Microsoft Explore or Google STEP are active attempts to increase diversity. They're wonderful.

champagneben 6y ago

>For instance, the average black family has one tenth the wealth of the average white family So make it wealth based? >Let me be clear though: this is purely against your affirmative action points. Any potential discrimination against Asians outside of affirmative action is unacceptable. Why draw the line arbitrarily at affirmative action? Why not housing as well? Maybe a quota on high-paying jobs?

MiroF 6y ago
> So make it wealth based? Affirmative action via wealth is already in place at Harvard. Shockingly, not all adversity faced by black Americans comes simply from wealth disparities, although that is a large part of it. I'm white and I've seen enough not-so-subtle racism to understand that those things can have a large cumulative effect, even if each individual instance is someone just making a small snap judgement about you. It's funny that studies like these about intentional affirmative action policies rise to the top of HN, whereas studies showing that black people with the exact same credentials are half as likely to get an interview for a job don't.
_hardwaregeek 6y ago
> Why draw the line arbitrarily at affirmative action? Why not housing as well? Maybe a quota on high-paying jobs? Uhh yeah I actually totally think programs to give underrepresented minorities opportunities for better housing would be great. The history of redlining is despicable and we need to work to actively reverse it. Same with jobs. Programs like Microsoft Explore or Google STEP are active attempts to increase diversity. They're wonderful.